Just got pulled over carrying.

Abacab · Sep 1, 2014

Sadly, these days the law provides for them to arrest you if they conclude you are carrying outside your restrictions. You are just Joe Blow with a gun at that point. No longer are restrictions a function of administrative code.....

Schipperke · Sep 1, 2014

swinokur said:
I go to www.handgunlaw.us and print out the state page for every state I'm gonna be in when traveling.

If I read the NC page correctly, you must inform the officer upon approach or if addressed if you have a permit. You don't even need to be carrying.

strange but that's what I read it as.

I read this stuff when I went to the OBX last July.

No, you only have to cop to it, if you are carrying one.

To possess a concealed handgun in North Carolina, you must:
Disclose the fact that you have a valid concealed handgun permit when you are approached or addressed by any law enforcement officer in North Carolina

swinokur · Sep 1, 2014

my reading comprehension apparently SUCKS.

:lol2:

Schipperke · Sep 1, 2014

swinokur said:
my reading comprehension apparently SUCKS.

I do see your point. Other states are more clearly written. I like how Texas writes you must inform, but if you don't, no penalty.

smokey · Sep 1, 2014

Sounds good. I'd personally choose to not disclose it in places where it's not a requirement, but your stop sounds like it went exactly as they normally go when you're polite.

Bullfrog · Sep 1, 2014

S&W19 said:
I thought you were supposed to yell, "I GOTTA GUN!" Isn't that the correct code?

Apparently this guy didn't get the word. He thought the proper procedure was to fumble around, shoot yourself, and fall out the door.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/01/man-accidentally-shoots-self-during-traffic-stop-in-colorado/

HauptsAriba · Sep 2, 2014

ericahls said:
I am from md. My bio is a little fake. Keeping NSA working hard.

I gave the officer my carry permit as a courtesy.

Thanks for replying. Also curious if the Officer made any kind of inquiry as to if you were engaged in company business ( assuming that would be the likely restriction) or anything to that effect. Knowing what happens ( or may happen ) in these situations can be very valuable information to the rest of us here.

teratos · Sep 2, 2014

Abacab said:
Sadly, these days the law provides for them to arrest you if they conclude you are carrying outside your restrictions. You are just Joe Blow with a gun at that point. No longer are restrictions a function of administrative code.....

Scary, isn't it? They love making new criminals, even if it means f%cking the most law abiding of our citizens. :sad20:

HauptsAriba said:
Thanks for replying. Also curious if the Officer made any kind of inquiry as to if you were engaged in company business ( assuming that would be the likely restriction) or anything to that effect. Knowing what happens ( or may happen ) in these situations can be very valuable information to the rest of us here.

I have had interactions with LEO a few times while carrying. Never been asked if I was engaged in business.

ericahls · Sep 2, 2014

HauptsAriba said:
Thanks for replying. Also curious if the Officer made any kind of inquiry as to if you were engaged in company business ( assuming that would be the likely restriction) or anything to that effect. Knowing what happens ( or may happen ) in these situations can be very valuable information to the rest of us here.

No, he did not ask me if I was engaged in company business. Being a business owner I am always engaged in company business when I am carrying my gun, other wise I would not carry it because I would be outside my restrictions.

I think we should all remember something here for a moment. An officer cannot arrest you unless he has probable cause to do so.

If he ever asks me am I engaged in company business and I say yes, then what is his probable cause to say I'm not. A cop can't pull you over and ask you have you been speeding today? You answer no and he say's "I don't believe you, you are under arrest." What's the charge? I know in my gut he was speeding at some point today?

Also remember, we carry concealed. The only way an officer would know I was carrying is if he came up and grabbed my ass and felt my gun.

Other than that, the only times that it would come up that I was carrying a gun would be at a traffic stop. And in that situation it's up to my discretion whether or not I wish to disclose that I'm carrying.

awptickes · Sep 2, 2014

ericahls said:
The only way an officer would know I was carrying is if he came up and grabbed my ass and felt my gun.

Good post. Wholly on-point. I only quoted this because it made me laugh.

Something to keep in mind guys, if you're carrying pettycash, a checkbook, or anything else of your business, you're probably inside of your restrictions.

Blaster229 · Sep 2, 2014

HauptsAriba said:
Thanks for replying. Also curious if the Officer made any kind of inquiry as to if you were engaged in company business ( assuming that would be the likely restriction) or anything to that effect. Knowing what happens ( or may happen ) in these situations can be very valuable information to the rest of us here.

How would this be valuable info to other permit holders here? So they can have a story ready and be well prepared if asked during a stop that would be outside of their carry restrictions?

That what you mean? IF not, explain please. Thanks.

Schipperke · Sep 2, 2014

Blaster229 said:
How would this be valuable info to other permit holders here? .

Word up

babalou · Sep 2, 2014

man, thought you were going to say he pulled you over for driving a Hybrid.

Abacab · Sep 2, 2014

Blaster229 said:
How would this be valuable info to other permit holders here? So they can have a story ready and be well prepared if asked during a stop that would be outside of their carry restrictions?

That what you mean? IF not, explain please. Thanks.

Seriously with this? MSP has always been vague with restrictions. Other experiences with situations like these help others with permits have some semblance of an understanding as to how LEOs are interpreting them.

Get a grip.

Blaster229 · Sep 2, 2014

Abacab said:
Seriously with this? MSP has always been vague with restrictions. Other experiences with situations like these help others with permits have some semblance of an understanding as to how LEOs are interpreting them.

Get a grip.

I don't need a grip. Some dude asked how permit stops go down. I simply asked why? Does it fcking matter if you are legit?
Do you even have a permit?

Abacab · Sep 2, 2014

Blaster229 said:
I don't need a grip. Some dude asked how permit stops go down. I simply asked why? Does it fcking matter if you are legit?
Do you even have a permit?

That's just it. If you have $50 of work cash are you engaged in business? If you work at a gun store and aren't working but may have to respond to an alarm, are you working at all times? Are business owners always working? What defines 'legit'?

Yeah, I have two. Do you want pictures too?

Blaster229 · Sep 2, 2014

Abacab said:
That's just it. If you have $50 of work cash are you engaged in business? If you work at a gun store and aren't working but may have to respond to an alarm, are you working at all times? Are business owners always working? What defines 'legit'?

Yeah, I have two. Do you want pictures too?

Nobody should need to know how a "stop went". So you think that every stop is the same from every leo throughout Maryland? Again, tell me how that would help you?

Blaster229 · Sep 2, 2014

Abacab said:
Yeah, I have two. Do you want pictures too?

2? Funny. There's a whole thread about how there is only one Maryland permit for everything. You have two. Oh, you must mean a Utah or Florida which means zilch here in Maryland.

Abacab · Sep 2, 2014

Blaster229 said:
Nobody should need to know how a "stop went". So you think that every stop is the same from every leo throughout Maryland? Again, tell me how that would help you?

'Need' to know? Who are you to say what I NEED to know? What difference is it to you if someone asks how a stop went? Does that bother you? Are you a LEO?

Did anyone ask how all stops by all LEOs involving permit holders went? Not that I am aware of. If you can't follow my points about how restrictions can be interpreted by various LEOs, I can't help you. It seems pretty clear that the more information out there about how restrictions are perceived helps people. Then again, I apparently don't NEED to know that according to you.

Mr H · Sep 2, 2014

Blaster229 said:
Nobody should need to know how a "stop went". So you think that every stop is the same from every leo throughout Maryland? Again, tell me how that would help you?

Here's how I see that sort of information working against us...

Folks start sharing details of their interactions among each other.
Commonalities are noted (both good and bad).
Eventually (whether it's intended or not), the stops take on a common theme.
Cops start sharing details of their interactions among each other.
Commonalities are noted (now itr's all bad).
Stops all now take on a common theme, and everyone is looked at as a potential problem.
Media gets wind of it, and the 2A community (particularly NRA) is blamed.
5-10 years of hard work is now pissed away.

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