VSP is currently beyond 90 days on NR permit processing.
Volume really slows down the entire process.
Not defending MPDC but it's not unique to DC.
Volume really slows down the entire process.
Not defending MPDC but it's not unique to DC.
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Wait a minute. Welcome to the club??????
You write about it as if having permits is some sort of badge of honor. Permits are still an infringement. We do it because it’s a stepping stone, going in the direction of where we should be. It’s no where near the final product. Where in the Second Amendment does it say that you should get permission from the government to exercise a God given right?
Aren’t you a Patriot Picket guy?
Whoa there big fella. Stove is just being friendly
No one is more dedicated to the 2A and constitutional carry than Stove. As you note, while what we want is indeed desirable, it takes many intermediate steps to get there.
SCOTUS has ruled that rights are not limitless and can be regulated.
Save your animosity for those that deserve it.
No one is more dedicated to the 2A and constitutional carry than Stove. As you note, while what we want is indeed desirable, it takes many intermediate steps to get there.
SCOTUS has ruled that rights are not limitless and can be regulated.
Save your animosity for those that deserve it.
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God did not write the Second Amendment or the Constitution of the United States. The right to Keep and Bear Arms is not God Given! Please refrain from that statement, it makes us gun nuts look like idiots.
Self defense on the other hand, is a God Given Right.
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The club of lawful concealed carry in DC, however obtained.
Stove is already LTC in DC, and would love nothing better than to see constitutional carry everywhere, so law abiding citizens can be on the same footing as the bad guys. But I'm just guessing. He'll no doubt be along shortly to say for sure.....
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How long have UT, FL and NH been issuing permits? And how long has DC been doing the same? I understand your impatience, been there done that and all but the ink is barely dry on the court ruling.
And yes, as others have said welcome to the club is a greeting, kind of like someone who has had a certain surgical procedure would say to another person who just had the same thing done.
My personal belief is that the 2A should be my carry permit but that isn't the world you or I live in right now.
Is there proof that DC is stalling? The regs says 90 days and another 90 if the chief deems it. VA says 60 and as Stove points out, other states have been doing this for a long time. Times will improve as staffing adjustments and processes are improved. No state has to give you a reason why it takes the allocated time, as long as they get it done i the time allotted by the regs.
Relax.
Relax.
Question: Why do you think the founders, who were, hint: Godly men inspired by God, thought it necessary to include a Second Amendment into the Bill Of Rights?
Answer: Whether against a criminal or a tyrannical government you can’t be effective in self defense without the means to do so.
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Where? I've called three places and no problem getting a seat. Last weekend, they had room for more night before @ $250.
.. and showing off permits. States' AGs would have a gold mine scouring MDS if the need arises.
From what I recall the backlog was less than 500 permits, recall in the 400's range. I don't think DC will be a jurisdiction with a remarkable percentage of its own residents applying for license. Certainly a bubble right now. The slow processing has nothing to do with volume imo. Get 40 a day done and the backlog is gone in two weeks. I bet the sole officer in Gettysburg could do ten plus a day, and that is starting from filling out the application.
Informing me I need to redo 16 hr training, that is not a backlog problem. It is to burden me, and then creates another step for them as well when unnecessary.
Thanks for the clarification. Please forgive my passion for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms battle.
The regs say 90 days. They can scratch their butts for 80 of those and still comply. Sad but true
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Volume is not MPDC's problem. Before the Wrenn decision it they only had <600 permit applications to process(between 2013-2016). No way it takes them 90 days to process a background check on 600 apps. They are definitely holding permits intentionally the full 90 days.
As long as they comply there is not much to be done about it
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We also don’t know how many they have recd after the decision. Not defending them but there is not much to be done as long as it’s <90 days
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The officer who took my applications said there is no rush of new applicants. I walked right up to the window without any wait. I saw two other people apply while I was there over the course on 45 minuets.
I also took the DC law course from DC Conceled Carry last week in a class of 7 people, but only two of us sounded like we were ready to apply without more training. The course is offered 3 times per week but the day I went, a Friday, was the only day that anyone had signed up for.
My impression is that DC going Shall Issue has created a stir among us gun nuts on Shooters, but not so much elsewhere. I doubt there is going to be a huge influx of new carry permit applications, at least not right away.
The officer that I talked with indicated that past applicants were her first priority to deal with. It's a small sampling, but me and the two other that I saw there were initial applicants, not people previously turned down for lack of G&S. She said "90 days" for me.
I wonder how many previously denied applications they are dealing with
Klunatic
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At the most it can't exceed 400 for the previously denied.
Klunatic
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Previously denied don't have to do that. DC has sent a letter, to previously denied applicants, that you simply sign and return.
We don't know staffing levels at the FRS. Assuming 400 previous apps processing it could still take awhile. IIRC NICS checks are only good for 30 days so I'd imagine they have to be redone.
Plus its da gubermint and it's DC gubermint, so factor that in.
Plus its da gubermint and it's DC gubermint, so factor that in.
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