Thanks! Literally years in the making, haha.
28 Nov 2017 Applied for DC CCW
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Thanks! Literally years in the making, haha.
With some help from the DC Circuit.
All hail HVYMAX !!!
No worries. You, I and everyone here are 100% on the same side.Oh now I see what you're saying. I used the word firearms, my bad.
sheepish look on face.
ETA-editing my post
It is a shame DC and Md have complex idiotic laws that force us to make precise technical distinctions since those laws only harm the law abiding and have no affect on criminals.
With a long gun, the starting point* is that DC has to show it is forbidden under code (by forbidden make/model or forbidden attribute) to disallow you registering it; whereas with handguns the registrant has to show that it is allowed (currently "allowed" make and models on Ca., Ma, or Md. rosters).
*The code says the Chief has discretion. But this is apparently never used.
AKA Joseph Stalin
Big brass ones on him. One of the few that I truly wish could come back during an MDS amnesty.
The DC code § 7–2505.04 says the California Handgun roster is the DC accepted roster, but goes on to say the Chief has the discretion to add others.
The chief apparently added Maryland and Massachusetts.
https://beta.code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/sections/7-2505.04.html
It would seem the addition of MD and MA was at the Chief's discretion as the law only mentions CA.
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Thanks. That was a council and DC AG ordering the Chief to make emergency change in the rules due directly to a suit filed by Gura in March 2009.
Here is the chiefs revision http://dcregisterarchives.dc.gov/si...attachments/17384/11 Emergency Rulemaking.pdf
On handguns:
- Jan - Sept 2008 only revolvers.
- Sept 2008 to June 2009, full Cali list including Cali semi-auto handguns
- June 2009-present, Cali, Ma or Md.
It is interesting to see the practical effect with new carry oriented guns with these states having low CCL numbers and therefore low importance to the makers. With M&P shield 2, the Mass. compliant shield m2.0 got approved and placed on Mass. roster very quickly. It was already on the Ma. roster at retail launch of the firearm. Apparently this is due to the fact that while Mass CCL numbers are low, the 10lb trigger at the core of the Mass requirement, is an On and/or Off Duty requirement with enough of law enforcement outside of Mass that Mass compliance was a priority for S&W. They wont make a microstamp so Cali is irrelevant to them. That leaves Md/DC where the CCL number are so low that S&W probably has this very low priority. fortunately, from what I read, Md. apparently allows owner submissions so we will probably see it on Md roster eventually.
It is troubling to see the sheer amount of rules on this and other aspects of relaxing DC gun control that have stacked up from DC deciding not to challenge, as opposed to us winning in court. Essentially if Trump is unable to replace Ginsburg, Kennedy or Breyer (or a single conservative) there could be a 5hitstorm of harsh gun control in DC from reversion to original legislation. There is Heller and the handful of wins (but mostly losses) in Heller III. But a lot of relaxations were done as a result of threatened lawsuits as opposed to rulings and they could revert if the court tips. Even the conversion of a couple of senate seats to blue in 11 months could mean no more Trump appointments to SCOTUS.
DC could walk back about 2/3 of the relaxations since Heller. On carry itself they could erect a lot of new barriers as well.
MD does allow anyone to submit a pistol to the MD Handgun Roster Board. It can take up to 120 days because the proposed changes, like DCMR proposals have to have a comment period after being published in the MD register. (30 days.) The Roster Board only has to meet every 45 days if a firearm is submitted so it you submit just after a meeting, you've got a fairly long wait until it's actually added after approval.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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I'm late to catching up with the thread.
Back in post #63 , DC-W cropped out the most important part of HvyMax's historic photo .
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But on more serious note , Cali's Roster has another fatal flaw. Unlike Md's , Cali requires an annual fee from mfg/ distributor for a gun to remain on the Roster . Once a particular model or variation is no longer mfg / imported / or no longer a sales priority , previously approved are dropped, and become orphans .
Back in post #63 , DC-W cropped out the most important part of HvyMax's historic photo .
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But on more serious note , Cali's Roster has another fatal flaw. Unlike Md's , Cali requires an annual fee from mfg/ distributor for a gun to remain on the Roster . Once a particular model or variation is no longer mfg / imported / or no longer a sales priority , previously approved are dropped, and become orphans .
His Dockers?
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Biggfoot44
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His sandals w/ socks .
oh that's right. I thought they were dockers.
very stylish
very stylish
She is indeed snippy.
- Feb 19, 2013
- 18,751
Approval letter received 110 days after submission of affidavit. Took an hour at DC to get it, without any crowd. While sitting waiting I heard the lone person trying to work on issuing the permit answering phone calls. I could get through the one side I was hearing, it was people calling inquiring where their permit is, how long etc. Seriously, I wouldn't bother calling till 120 days, which was my limit as to when to call. I didn't hear any answers given that were remarkable. Answers such as "We are working on such an such dates applications" , go ahead and believe that if you wish. I recently heard from another person they went down to pick up their permit and didn't walk out until three hours later. Another possible problem that has been noted, and near happened when I went, if a key person is not available you may not get the permit.
I applied Oct. 30.
Nada.
you do the math.
Nada.
you do the math.
Oct 26 still nothing.
Does this mean we have to go back down there to pick up the permit? They don't mail them?
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