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Old August 12th, 2017, 11:55 PM #1
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Mosin M44 Barrel Bands won't close

I picked up a Mosin M44 in a sporterized stock a while back, it also came with the original stock and barrel bands. So, this week's project was to put it back in the original configuration.

Easy enough I thought.

I put the barreled receiver back in the original stock and really the only thing left was to put the barrel bands back on. Here's where the fun started...

The barrel bands it came with were 'open', meaning not closed and I was able to open them enough to slide them around the barrel and stock and put them in the correct location. However, they won't close. I tried clamping them shut but the middle tab on the band won't stay in-between the two prongs of the other end of the band. I don't see a hole for a pin or any other mechanism to hold them closed.

What am I missing. What Russian magic holds these bands closed? I looked on anther M44 and can't figure out how they are tightly closed.

I thought about ordering another set, but then they won't slide past the bayonet lug if they are closed, and the bayo is staked very deep in place and can't easily get it off anyway.

What am I missing here. Any thoughts?
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Old August 13th, 2017, 12:19 AM #2
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They are made from spring type steel.

They are made to give a bit and snap/spring closed again.

If you happened to stretch them, and they stayed sprung, you'll never get them to close again.
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They are made from spring type steel.

They are made to give a bit and snap/spring closed again.

If you happened to stretch them, and they stayed sprung, you'll never get them to close again.
Yeah, when I got them they were open about 1/2" maybe. Any thoughts on how to get a new set on?
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Yeah, when I got them they were open about 1/2" maybe. Any thoughts on how to get a new set on?
Look at a company called Liberty Tree Collectors.

They have oodles of surplus rifle parts.

Good luck.
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Excellent site, can't believe I haven't seen them before, thanks for the tip.

So, they have the bands, and even earlier button bands (cool). But does anyone have insight into how to get those bands on to the M44 without opening them up and ruining the band??
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Excellent site, can't believe I haven't seen them before, thanks for the tip.

So, they have the bands, and even earlier button bands (cool). But does anyone have insight into how to get those bands on to the M44 without opening them up and ruining the band??
My thought on this is that were never supposed to be removed. So a soldier wouldn't lose them when the rifle was disassembled. The bands would just dangle there at the end of the barrel.

I've never been in a WWII Russian Armory during production hours, but I believe the bands were installed prior to the front sight being installed.

Drift the front globe sight out of its dovetail, put the new bands you're buying on, and reinstall the front sight.
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Make a mandrel out of some scrap wood like a shovel handle or something and gently heat the old ones and push them back past the original shape of the forearm and hold them there till they cool. Dont let the metal turn red or they will be annealed. Your going to have to push them a little bit back past their original shape some though. It may or may not work, use a candle flame.
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My thought on this is that were never supposed to be removed. So a soldier wouldn't lose them when the rifle was disassembled. The bands would just dangle there at the end of the barrel.

I've never been in a WWII Russian Armory during production hours, but I believe the bands were installed prior to the front sight being installed.

Drift the front globe sight out of its dovetail, put the new bands you're buying on, and reinstall the front sight.
It's not the front sight that's the problem, it's the bayo lug.. Agreed with the Russian assembly line, they were never meant to come of.... or be sporterized for that matter Lol
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Make a mandrel out of some scrap wood like a shovel handle or something and gently heat the old ones and push them back past the original shape of the forearm and hold them there till they cool. Dont let the metal turn red or they will be annealed. Your going to have to push them a little bit back past their original shape some though. It may or may not work, use a candle flame.
I'll give that a shot. Hopefully I can "re-spring" them that way. I am assuming I concentrate the heat on the opposite side of where they close? Won't hurt to try, much appreciated for the tip.

I am thinking worst case if that doesn't work, I just put a tiny spot weld on the bottom after clamping them to the closed position, smooth the weld and match the finish.
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I would try to just heat them evenly and slowly. That might do it alone it will be interesting to find out.
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