Go Back   Maryland Shooters > Gun Rights and Legislation > Maryland 2A Issues

Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old July 19th, 2017, 06:21 PM #81
montoya32's Avatar
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
montoya32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by dblas View Post
A penalty was suggested when the amendment was made, but never made it into the verbiage of the actual amendment that was brought and approved. Many such laws that the State of Maryland is supposed to follow, have absolutely no penalty if the State fails to do so.
So, what would be the basis for any penalty if it is found that the law was violated? Also, does the law say it is illegal for the state to release the info or anyone? Could the OP be in hot water if he sent the file to anyone?
__________________
Words and opinions on this forum are mine and mine alone and do not represent the thoughts, stances or views of the company I am affiliated with.
Tim Montoya
Realtor
443-463-3592 cell
www.themarylandrealestateblog.com
www.allhomes4me.com
www.whatsupharford.com

<a href=http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor target=_blank>http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor</a>
montoya32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2017, 07:50 PM #82
dblas dblas is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 7,454
dblas dblas is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 7,454
Quote:
Originally Posted by montoya32 View Post
So, what would be the basis for any penalty if it is found that the law was violated? Also, does the law say it is illegal for the state to release the info or anyone? Could the OP be in hot water if he sent the file to anyone?
IANAL so I don't know all of the answers.

Currently there is no basis for a penalty other than the court saying "Don't do that again" and someone potentially losing their job.

No, it does not state it is illegal (That was recommended in writing the amendment, but stricken on the final writing)

No clue on the OP

Here is the law:

§ 4-325. Firearm and handgun records


(a) In general. -- Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) of this section, a custodian shall deny inspection of all records of a person authorized to:

(1) sell, purchase, rent, or transfer a regulated firearm under Title 5, Subtitle 1 of the Public Safety Article; or

(2) carry, wear, or transport a handgun under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article.

(b) Required inspections. -- A custodian shall allow inspection of firearm or handgun records by:

(1) the individual named in the record; or

(2) the attorney of record of the individual named in the record.

(c) Construction of section. -- This section may not be construed to prohibit the Department of State Police or the Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services from accessing firearm or handgun records in the performance of that department's official duty.

HISTORY: An. Code 1957, art. SG, § 10-616(v); 2014, ch. 94, § 2.
dblas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2017, 08:23 PM #83
CypherPunk's Avatar
CypherPunk CypherPunk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,217
Images: 8
CypherPunk CypherPunk is offline
Senior Member
CypherPunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,217
Images: 8
HPRB Statistics 2015-2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by mjester93 View Post
I will conform to their requests, however, the summary of statistics will still be up.


Ask them to provide you with a "good & substantial" reason. Then, after you receive it, ask them to interview with you in person, at least 90 minutes from wherever they work. At the interview, ask for four references and a letter of endorsement from their immediate supervisor. If necessary, send them a shortage letter.

Wait until the 90th business day then provide a reply, but not before.

Whatever you do, don't lose their file, or wait until February of 2018 to respond.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
__________________

NEW 2017 TRAINING SCHEDULE CLICK HERE!
MD FIREARMS Wiki & FAQ CLICK HERE!
CypherPunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2017, 08:31 PM #84
CypherPunk's Avatar
CypherPunk CypherPunk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,217
Images: 8
CypherPunk CypherPunk is offline
Senior Member
CypherPunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,217
Images: 8
HPRB Statistics 2015-2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
Is now a good time to apply given the stats? I own my business as well as my parents owning one ... cash involved! cheapest place for class?
I have not read an HPRB thread this year and have less stress because of this.


Owning a business has always been considered "good & substantial" under the current scheme.

IMHO, if you make deposits, criminals don't know if they are large, or small, negotiable instruments or cash.

The whole scheme is a contrived workaround to perpetuate racist laws, as you can't use deadly force to protect property.

Finally, I would suggest you don't search out the cheapest classes. Find a knowledgeable instructor for mandatory training, practice regularly (including IDPA or IPSIC) and think of continued training and legal knowledge as a journey - not a destination.
__________________

NEW 2017 TRAINING SCHEDULE CLICK HERE!
MD FIREARMS Wiki & FAQ CLICK HERE!
CypherPunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2017, 08:40 PM #85
GTOGUNNER's Avatar
GTOGUNNER GTOGUNNER is offline
IANAL, PATRIOT PICKET!!
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Carroll County!
Posts: 2,611
GTOGUNNER GTOGUNNER is offline
IANAL, PATRIOT PICKET!!
GTOGUNNER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Carroll County!
Posts: 2,611
If a law has no penalty, it is not a law. IANAL but I do know that much.

Sent from the 3rd Rock
__________________
"Congratulations Americans, your capital is not a constitution-free zone." Alan Gura 7-26-2014

“All I can tell you is, Mr. Beretta said ‘There always seems to be a problem with Maryland'. ”

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin

Warren v. District of Columbia (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) You need a gun!!
SAF
MSP QHIC
NRA Certified Pistol and Rifle Instuctor, Life Member
RSO
GTOGUNNER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2017, 05:25 AM #86
Bigfoot21075 Bigfoot21075 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Elkridge, MD
Posts: 924
Bigfoot21075 Bigfoot21075 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Elkridge, MD
Posts: 924
Quote:
Originally Posted by CypherPunk View Post
Ask them to provide you with a "good & substantial" reason. Then, after you receive it, ask them to interview with you in person, at least 90 minutes from wherever they work. At the interview, ask for four references and a letter of endorsement from their immediate supervisor. If necessary, send them a shortage letter.

Wait until the 90th business day then provide a reply, but not before.

Whatever you do, don't lose their file, or wait until February of 2018 to respond.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
__________________
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
Bigfoot21075 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2017, 04:40 AM #87
ironpony's Avatar
ironpony ironpony is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Crofton/Davidsonville
Posts: 2,640
ironpony ironpony is offline
Senior Member
ironpony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Crofton/Davidsonville
Posts: 2,640
Quote:
Originally Posted by CypherPunk View Post

Finally, I would suggest you don't search out the cheapest classes. Find a knowledgeable instructor for mandatory training, practice regularly (including IDPA or IPSIC) and think of continued training and legal knowledge as a journey - not a destination.


Thanks for the input. Do people that live in con carry states also put this much into their training? I shoot 800 rnds months, free range I can walk to, member of IDPA but little weekend time, how much more is required by MD in the way of being allowed to utilize the second amendment ? Sorry, I’m being sarcastic as I think of the states where 2A is a right, not a journey or destination.
ironpony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2017, 07:40 AM #88
Mark75H's Avatar
Mark75H Mark75H is offline
Outboard boat racing guy
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Outside the Gates
Posts: 9,466
Send a message via AIM to Mark75H
Mark75H Mark75H is offline
Outboard boat racing guy
Mark75H's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Outside the Gates
Posts: 9,466
Send a message via AIM to Mark75H
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
Thanks for the input. Do people that live in con carry states also put this much into their training? I shoot 800 rnds months, free range I can walk to, member of IDPA but little weekend time, how much more is required by MD in the way of being allowed to utilize the second amendment ? Sorry, I’m being sarcastic as I think of the states where 2A is a right, not a journey or destination.
The simple answer is no, they do not.

Almost no one takes car or motorcycle driving safety courses unless required to as well. Same for Red Cross Basic First Aid.
__________________
2A ... Federal Preemption

Thus, the only inquiry that this Court should conduct is to determine whether the firearms prohibited by the Act are protected by the Second Amendment. Because they are, the Act is simply unconstitutional.
Mark75H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 22nd, 2017, 09:12 AM #89
ironpony's Avatar
ironpony ironpony is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Crofton/Davidsonville
Posts: 2,640
ironpony ironpony is offline
Senior Member
ironpony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Crofton/Davidsonville
Posts: 2,640
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark75H View Post
The simple answer is no, they do not.



Almost no one takes car or motorcycle driving safety courses unless required to as well. Same for Red Cross Basic First Aid.


Yeah, I know. I read every HPRB meeting post for the first year and took a little offense to cyber’s post. Good advice but I would prefer it to be the same “lack of” hoops to jump through for the entire nation, am I a rarity in this train of thought?


No offense meant at all cyberpunk, but ... reminds me of White (?) , trains people for the permit and denies appeals. My hope is that the second Amendment gives the people the right, promote the MD scheme and .... well ....

my $.02. Sorry if off topic.
ironpony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 25th, 2017, 10:04 PM #90
montoya32's Avatar
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
montoya32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
Any additional info on this issue?
__________________
Words and opinions on this forum are mine and mine alone and do not represent the thoughts, stances or views of the company I am affiliated with.
Tim Montoya
Realtor
443-463-3592 cell
www.themarylandrealestateblog.com
www.allhomes4me.com
www.whatsupharford.com

<a href=http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor target=_blank>http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor</a>
montoya32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 26th, 2017, 08:14 AM #91
CypherPunk's Avatar
CypherPunk CypherPunk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,217
Images: 8
CypherPunk CypherPunk is offline
Senior Member
CypherPunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,217
Images: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
Yeah, I know. I read every HPRB meeting post for the first year and took a little offense to cyber’s post. Good advice but I would prefer it to be the same “lack of” hoops to jump through for the entire nation, am I a rarity in this train of thought?


No offense meant at all cyberpunk, but ... reminds me of White (?) , trains people for the permit and denies appeals. My hope is that the second Amendment gives the people the right, promote the MD scheme and .... well ....

my $.02. Sorry if off topic.


Which part of which post offended you?
I'm open to discussion.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
__________________

NEW 2017 TRAINING SCHEDULE CLICK HERE!
MD FIREARMS Wiki & FAQ CLICK HERE!
CypherPunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 26th, 2017, 09:50 AM #92
Biggfoot44 Biggfoot44 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 12,948
Biggfoot44 Biggfoot44 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 12,948
I'm not IronPony , but the guess that comes to mind :

Working within the current scheme is a Bad Thing , because it lends an air of legitimacy to the current scheme. The only self-respecting approach is to go all 9 yards Pure 2A , and focus on nothing less than Shall Issue ( or perhaps Constitutional Carry ).

Kind of like mid 1800's Slavery Reformers vs All or Nothing Abolitionists .


Or I could be all wrong at mind reading.
Biggfoot44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 26th, 2017, 10:48 AM #93
ironpony's Avatar
ironpony ironpony is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Crofton/Davidsonville
Posts: 2,640
ironpony ironpony is offline
Senior Member
ironpony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Crofton/Davidsonville
Posts: 2,640
Quote:
Originally Posted by CypherPunk View Post
Which part of which post offended you?
I'm open to discussion.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Exactly what Biggfoot says.

We are all on the same side so I hope these few posts bring us together better. Sorry I spelled your name wrong Cypher
ironpony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 26th, 2017, 11:19 AM #94
CypherPunk's Avatar
CypherPunk CypherPunk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,217
Images: 8
CypherPunk CypherPunk is offline
Senior Member
CypherPunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,217
Images: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironpony View Post
Yeah, I know. I read every HPRB meeting post for the first year and took a little offense to cyber’s post. Good advice but I would prefer it to be the same “lack of” hoops to jump through for the entire nation, am I a rarity in this train of thought?


No offense meant at all cyberpunk, but ... reminds me of White (?) , trains people for the permit and denies appeals. My hope is that the second Amendment gives the people the right, promote the MD scheme and .... well ....

my $.02. Sorry if off topic.


I think you misunderstood me.
I've not listened to HPRB meetings - I've attended many/most of them.

I'm in favor of constitutional carry. Non-prohibited domestic violence, crime victims and others should be able to carry immediately (even if only open carry) should they decide its necessary.

Nor should collectors, investors or inheritors have to take a gun safety class.

However, as an instructor I've come across too many people that have no good idea when it is lawful to use deadly force, as well as when and why it may not be a good idea. Those people risk danger to themselves and the community.

I'd like to see training incentivized, but not required.

Something like completion of a 16 hour safety and law course provides a lifetime Maryland Handgun Permit and a $400 state tax credit to cover the training costs.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
__________________

NEW 2017 TRAINING SCHEDULE CLICK HERE!
MD FIREARMS Wiki & FAQ CLICK HERE!
CypherPunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 26th, 2017, 12:32 PM #95
ironpony's Avatar
ironpony ironpony is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Crofton/Davidsonville
Posts: 2,640
ironpony ironpony is offline
Senior Member
ironpony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Crofton/Davidsonville
Posts: 2,640
my bad

Last edited by ironpony; July 27th, 2017 at 08:14 AM.
ironpony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 12th, 2017, 08:36 PM #96
montoya32's Avatar
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
montoya32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
Any updates on this debacle? Any mention of it at the most recent HPRB meeting?
__________________
Words and opinions on this forum are mine and mine alone and do not represent the thoughts, stances or views of the company I am affiliated with.
Tim Montoya
Realtor
443-463-3592 cell
www.themarylandrealestateblog.com
www.allhomes4me.com
www.whatsupharford.com

<a href=http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor target=_blank>http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor</a>
montoya32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 12th, 2017, 09:19 PM #97
Stoveman's Avatar
Stoveman Stoveman is offline
TV Personality
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 8,051
Stoveman Stoveman is offline
TV Personality
Stoveman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Cuba on the Chesapeake
Posts: 8,051
Quote:
Originally Posted by montoya32 View Post
Any updates on this debacle? Any mention of it at the most recent HPRB meeting?


No, and I wouldn't expect the board members to address it as they weren't the ones to divulge the information.


The problem was with DPSCS, want Secretary Moyer's email address?
__________________
_______________
Proud CCW Cultist
Stoveman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 12th, 2017, 09:20 PM #98
montoya32's Avatar
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
montoya32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoveman View Post
No, and I wouldn't expect the board members to address it as they weren't the ones to divulge the information.


The problem was with DPSCS, want Secretary Moyer's email address?
I have it. lol I just want to make sure all avenues have been thoroughly plowed clear before I begin to plow another.
I did not expect the board to explain it or take responsibility, because it is not their responsibility. I was just curious if the "talk on the street" would have made it to the board and maybe they would address is and advise people to direct their inquiries to the DPSCS.
__________________
Words and opinions on this forum are mine and mine alone and do not represent the thoughts, stances or views of the company I am affiliated with.
Tim Montoya
Realtor
443-463-3592 cell
www.themarylandrealestateblog.com
www.allhomes4me.com
www.whatsupharford.com

<a href=http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor target=_blank>http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor</a>
montoya32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 13th, 2017, 07:53 AM #99
esqappellate's Avatar
esqappellate esqappellate is offline
President, MSI
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,986
esqappellate esqappellate is offline
President, MSI
esqappellate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,986
Quote:
Originally Posted by montoya32 View Post
I have it. lol I just want to make sure all avenues have been thoroughly plowed clear before I begin to plow another.
I did not expect the board to explain it or take responsibility, because it is not their responsibility. I was just curious if the "talk on the street" would have made it to the board and maybe they would address is and advise people to direct their inquiries to the DPSCS.
Here is the response that MSI got to my letter.
Attached Images
File Type: pdf Letter from DPSCS on improper release.pdf (174.6 KB, 61 views)
__________________
This may sound like legal advice, but it isn't. Don't rely on it. Hire your own counsel.
esqappellate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 13th, 2017, 08:12 AM #100
montoya32's Avatar
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
montoya32 montoya32 is offline
Senior Member
montoya32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fallston, MD
Posts: 10,722
Images: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by esqappellate View Post
Here is the response that MSI got to my letter.


So they acknowledge the breach and say, "sorry"? That doesn't seem sufficient to me. Does it?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

__________________
Words and opinions on this forum are mine and mine alone and do not represent the thoughts, stances or views of the company I am affiliated with.
Tim Montoya
Realtor
443-463-3592 cell
www.themarylandrealestateblog.com
www.allhomes4me.com
www.whatsupharford.com

<a href=http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor target=_blank>http://www.facebook.com/timmontoyarealtor</a>
montoya32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  Home Page > Forum List > Gun Rights and Legislation > Maryland 2A Issues


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2017, Congregate Media, LP Privacy Policy Terms of Service