U.N. Small Arms Treaty...BS?

Alea Jacta Est · Jan 24, 2020

Boats said:
when has that ever stopped them? just wait the 6-forever months for the supreme Court to verify what we already know....maybe....depends who appointed them.

meanwhile, us rabble are the ones with forfeited assets, jail time, and ruined lives....none of which are vacated or pardoned when (eventually, if ever) the SCOTUS actually does their job.

Vacating after the fact OUGHT TO BE AUTOMATIC. So too should reimbursement.

Wonder why it’s not? Because the system is designed by lawyers for lawyers...TO MAKE MONEY.

Boats · Jan 24, 2020

Nnztg8r said:
Vacating after the fact OUGHT TO BE AUTOMATIC. So too should reimbursement.

Wonder why it’s not? Because the system is designed by lawyers for lawyers...TO MAKE MONEY.

yup.

Sirex · Jan 26, 2020

Hypothetically, IF it was signed by the Senate, what physically could the UN do? Nothing. They cant peacekeep in 3rd world countries, some of their soldiers commit pedophilia/rape, and I don't see them garnering much support here. As symbolic as it could be, it would more than likely just affect importation of guns and ammo. They couldn't physically, as an entity do anything to US citizens without serious push back. It will be economic, and the push for gun control will come from the UN. The UN is, as someone once described the US, a paper tiger.

RoadDawg · Jan 28, 2020

Sirex said:
Hypothetically, IF it was signed by the Senate, what physically could the UN do? Nothing. They cant peacekeep in 3rd world countries, some of their soldiers commit pedophilia/rape, and I don't see them garnering much support here. As symbolic as it could be, it would more than likely just affect importation of guns and ammo. They couldn't physically, as an entity do anything to US citizens without serious push back. It will be economic, and the push for gun control will come from the UN. The UN is, as someone once described the US, a paper tiger.

This abomination would make it illegal for private citizens of any signed country to own or sell small arms. Think about that. And then remember the 2A.

The UN would not be the ones enforcing that treaty. It would be up to the government of each country to enforce the new law in their jurisdictions.

Alea Jacta Est · Jan 28, 2020

Abject and absolute voluntary abdication of sovereignty.

Other than colossal stupidity and virtue signaling on an international stage, why???

Bob A · Jan 28, 2020

Nnztg8r said:
Abject and absolute voluntary abdication of sovereignty.

Other than colossal stupidity and virtue signaling on an international stage, why???

Why?

Because most, if not all, of the signatories on that treaty are GOVERNMENTS. They have multiple reasons for wanting to keep their citizens disarmed. It makes picking their pockets easier, to say nothing of eliminating those annoying folks who would like to keep a piece of the pie they made.

Then there's the countries which have more than a single, homogeneous population. Gypsies, Jews, Tutsis, old white conservatives* all can be problematic. As long as they're disarmed (sorry, Tutsis, I know you lost more than just arms) they can be dealt with when it is politically expedient.

*(I assumed you were referring to all the signatories, not just the US. I just threw in most of MDS as many of our respected leaders would like to do so.)

Beancounter · Jan 28, 2020

When any of you think you know what can happen, can't happen, won't happen, laws, process of law and who can do what just remember: Bumpstocks.
That is where we are.

adit · Jan 28, 2020

Beancounter said:
When any of you think you know what can happen, can't happen, won't happen, laws, process of law and who can do what just remember: Bumpstocks.
That is where we are.

Can you post this exact comment in this thread.... https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=241516

Sirex · Jan 28, 2020

RoadDawg said:
This abomination would make it illegal for private citizens of any signed country to own or sell small arms. Think about that. And then remember the 2A.

The UN would not be the ones enforcing that treaty. It would be up to the government of each country to enforce the new law in their jurisdictions.

How is it any different than what the democrats are trying to do here? Again, the UN is a paper tiger, and would ultimately have little, if any practical power here. The UN has no power higher than the Constitution. The democrats here are far more dangerous than the United Nitwits.

rbird7282 · Jan 28, 2020

The fact that it was signed is irrelevant, it must be ratified by 2/3 if the Senate to be binding. The UN can go suck a bag of d*cks.

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inkd · Jan 29, 2020

RoadDawg said:
This abomination would make it illegal for private citizens of any signed country to own or sell small arms.

No it wouldn't.

lowoncash · Jan 29, 2020

Anyone stopped to consider how good the demographics information is?

Gun owners are being targeted with gun grabbing information for political fundraising.

Alea Jacta Est · Jan 29, 2020

Soooooo, just another swing by the liberal socialists to undermine our Constitution from a new and different direction.

If ya can’t get in the front door, try the back door. If you can’t get in the back door, try the windows. If ya can’t get in the windows, try the chimney...

You get it. There is NOTHING the damned socialist bastards won’t try in their campaign to disarm American citizens. N O T H I N G

Sirex · Jan 29, 2020

lowoncash said:
Anyone stopped to consider how good the demographics information is?

Gun owners are being targeted with gun grabbing information for political fundraising.

They have shown time and time again, by whatever means they want to compile some kind of list of gun owners. Whether it's government registration, insurance requirements, licensing scams, or trying to tap into credit card information and purchases, they want to create some kind of registry of gun owners, because the end goal is confiscation and total control. They know they don't fully have the government yet, but they are playing the long game. Once they have all of Congress, the presidency, filled the judicial benches, and local governments, I have no doubt they will pounce. So, buy private sales, lose the paperwork, hand down to kids and tell them to keep quiet.

RoadDawg · Jan 29, 2020

Sirex said:
How is it any different than what the democrats are trying to do here? Again, the UN is a paper tiger, and would ultimately have little, if any practical power here. The UN has no power higher than the Constitution. The democrats here are far more dangerous than the United Nitwits.

Because... it would place the US into an international treaty law. A law which would be binding in all signatory countries. And one which obligated all signatories to abide by the “international norms” of the whole group. WE are the ONLY country with the RTKABA written into our constitution. So... do you think that signing and ratifying that Treaty is harmless?

RoadDawg · Jan 29, 2020

inkd said:
No it wouldn't.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...ms-trade-treaty-means-for-american-gun-owners

NRA’s complaints regarding the treaty have always been based on its potential effect on law-abiding American gun owners. Those complaints have focused on the treaty’s requirements for end use verification, its sometimes-unintelligible vagueness, its ability to be amended without the consensus of all parties, and its proponents repeated refusals to clarify that it has no effect on the possession of small arms by civilians in the United States

RoadDawg · Jan 29, 2020

Nnztg8r said:
Soooooo, just another swing by the liberal socialists to undermine our Constitution from a new and different direction.

If ya can’t get in the front door, try the back door. If you can’t get in the back door, try the windows. If ya can’t get in the windows, try the chimney...

You get it. There is NOTHING the damned socialist bastards won’t try in their campaign to disarm American citizens. N O T H I N G

The pure truth ^^^^^^^^^

And I find it difficult to believe that this is being down played by some folks... as if it is nothing to be concerned about.

The left can’t change the COTUS without a real fight. So... they attempt an end run around it by signing us up to this International ATT.

Treaties are a good thing... right? :tdown:

Ask any Native American. :cool:

fred2207 · Jan 29, 2020

rbird7282 said:
The fact that it was signed is irrelevant, it must be ratified by 2/3 if the Senate to be binding. The UN can go suck a bag of d*cks.
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Even after being signed and ratified, legislation and federal regulations would have to be passed and developed to implement the requirements into enforceable US law. On the other-hand, very doubtful a 2/3 majority, required for the treaty ratification, is even possible, (could be wrong)...

inkd · Jan 29, 2020

RoadDawg said:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...ms-trade-treaty-means-for-american-gun-owners

I trust Mexican tap water more than the NRA.

Have you actually read the treaty and see what it applies to?

Sirex · Jan 29, 2020

RoadDawg said:
Because... it would place the US into an international treaty law. A law which would be binding in all signatory countries. And one which obligated all signatories to abide by the “international norms” of the whole group. WE are the ONLY country with the RTKABA written into our constitution. So... do you think that signing and ratifying that Treaty is harmless?

I think, for a while, the Senate won't ratify it. If they do, it won't make much of a difference in what the dems are trying to do. The UN is powerless. I am glad Trump pulled out of the treaty, but the left will keep pushing to sign it, as well as other infringements. My point is the UN is essentially powerless here, and the democrats already here are a far greater threat. IF the Senate ratified the treaty, if wouldn't affect one bit what I keep and bear. F them. The UN would probably not be welcome here, and I doubt the sheriff departments would help enforce the treaty laws, and be vocal about it. I think some departments would do a couple high profile busts to get on the news, and show they are doing something, but they don't want another Waco or Bundy ranch standoff.

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