Designated Firearms Collector

knastera · Jan 19, 2018

swinokur said:
MSP SOP's still reference it for LTCH permit investigators.

See the attachment. The SOP was revised 2015

I am gettin up there.

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The thing is, Notes is one of those applications that fits a niche really well. While I don't always ascribe to, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," there are times where a legacy system works really well. We ended up standardizing everything on SAP. That's why we ditched Notes.

My biggest concern with legacy systems is they don't incorporate the latest security protocols.

(Is my IT geek propeller beanie showing yet?)

Docster · Jan 19, 2018

Pinecone said:
WHY?

I have never been asked for it.

If you check the box on the 77r, and don't have it, MSP will know.

You know, "just in case just in case, just to be sure, you never know, don't wanna take any chances....." :lol:

swinokur · Jan 19, 2018

knastera said:
The thing is, Notes is one of those applications that fits a niche really well. While I don't always ascribe to, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," there are times where a legacy system works really well. We ended up standardizing everything on SAP. That's why we ditched Notes.

My biggest concern with legacy systems is they don't incorporate the latest security protocols.

(Is my IT geek propeller beanie showing yet?)

MSP is not concerned about security. Look at the 77r debacle before FSA2013.

DubTap21 · Jan 19, 2018

mcbruzdzinski said:
You should have received a letter from the MSP stating you were approved.

This. It took almost two months to get my letter in the mail, back in 2013. SMH.

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DubTap21 · Jan 19, 2018

Woody said:
It's about a 1 week turn around these days. Have you purchased a regulated firearm or 'other' in MD? My form was returned because I hadn't made a 77r purchase before they got it.

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Why does this even matter?!!

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Woody · Jan 19, 2018

DubTap21 said:
Why does this even matter?!!

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Because...

That's about the best answer I ever got when I asked. Did you forget this is MD?

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DubTap21 · Jan 19, 2018

Woody said:
Because...

That's about the best answer I ever got when I asked. Did you forget this is MD?

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Haha! Figures they would say something like that! I'm so done with this state.

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lazarus · Jan 19, 2018

ted76 said:
When you get your letter, make 10 copies of it and kept the original, plus your extra copies in a folder with your gun related files. That way, you won't be posting on here how to get a copy of you DC letter, 3 years from now, like so many have. I keep a copy in my wallet, but I can't remember any dealer ever asking to see it.

These days they shouldn’t be. 77r is electronic and MSP verifies. Either you are not disapproved or you are.

lazarus · Jan 19, 2018

Also I think my letter took about 3 weeks. No clue where it is. My wife put it somewhere. Haven’t had anyone ask to actually see it.

DubTap21 · Jan 19, 2018

swinokur said:
I took a picture of mine, converted it to a pdf and it resides in my phone. If anyone asks, it's always with me.

Same for my Form 4's and 5320's

I need to do exactly this!

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swinokur · Jan 20, 2018

lazarus said:
These days they shouldn’t be. 77r is electronic and MSP verifies. Either you are not disapproved or you are.

Because the MSP database can't be corrupted and the latest image backup will always work properly. :sarcasm:

OK.

Why do I keep the old pink copies of my 77r's?

Same exact reason. paper or electronic, MSP's track record of dependable and secure record keeping is abysmal.

A oz of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

ted76 · Jan 20, 2018

lazarus said:
These days they shouldn’t be. 77r is electronic and MSP verifies. Either you are not disapproved or you are.

Because after an EMP, we will have to go back to filling out the paper work for each purchase. :rolleyes:

I made copies of mine long before MSP started the online 77R, which I happen to like, other than the need to change your password every couple of months.
I still have my old card that you had to have before the HQL.

Pinecone · Jan 20, 2018

DubTap21 said:
Why does this even matter?!!

Because someone finally figured out, it was hard to say you are a collector, when you have never purchased anything.

Change was a couple of years ago.

Qbeam · Jan 23, 2018

Here is a silly question, but a question nonetheless. If you puchase two regulated firearms at the same time, and then submit for the designated collector letter, will you be able immediately purchase additional regulated firearms once you get the letter in hand, or need to wait the 60 days for the recent 2 firearm purchase?

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swinokur · Jan 23, 2018

How will you buy 2 firearms at the same time without the DC status?

danb · Jan 23, 2018

swinokur said:
How will you buy 2 firearms at the same time without the DC status?

On the 77r I think there is still an "exemption" if the guns are sold as a pair (e.g. consecutive serial no), or a special discount for buying a pair, etc. Not sure how release works tho (e.g. 1 each 30 days, or both at the same time). I think if you do the 2-guns without a DC, they make you wait 60 days for the next.

platoonDaddy · Jan 23, 2018

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, the OP opened this thread on the 17th and hasn't commented to any of the posts providing insight.

swinokur · Jan 23, 2018

I think that would be correct. You’d have to wait 60 days even after you get your letter

Just my opinion though

Qbeam · Jan 23, 2018

danb said:
On the 77r I think there is still an "exemption" if the guns are sold as a pair (e.g. consecutive serial no), or a special discount for buying a pair, etc. Not sure how release works tho (e.g. 1 each 30 days, or both at the same time). I think if you do the 2-guns without a DC, they make you wait 60 days for the next.

Both are released, but you will need to wait 60 days until the next regulated purchase.

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danb · Jan 23, 2018

If they send your DC letter before the 60 days are up, I think it supersedes and constitutes permission to pick up another one before the 60 days. Not just permission, it becomes your Designated sworn duty to Collect. So get out there and Collect!

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