AR-15 options in maryland

dblas · Apr 3, 2017

esqappellate said:
Yes, of course. Forgot about that. So has anyone figured out how they can legally possess the grenades that can be shot out of the SKS? In other words, the ban on launchers on guns with a detachable mag (ARs) is pointless.

If you can find the grenades for the launcher they would be NFA items and I believe a $200 tax stamp for each grenade possessed. It would get pricey pretty quick.

Biggfoot44 · Apr 3, 2017

Each grenade is considered a Destructive Device itself, and eaxh would need a Form1/ Form4 , and tax stamp.

Angelo597 · Apr 3, 2017

The only Lower that is prohibited in MD is the Bushmaster, as that is specifically stated in the law. If it says Bushmaster, there is no way to manufacture a MD compliant AR Rifle or Pistol. You can buy a lower and build an AR, but it must be built to MD compliant standards, Heavy barrel (no- cut out for grenade/flare launcher), no folding stock (collapsible okay), minimum length of 29 inches (overall length), minimum barrel length 16 inches, and best to not have a bayonet mount. If you build as a pistol, cannot have a shoulder stock (or it becomes a SBR requiring a tax stamp).

daggo66 · Apr 3, 2017

Angelo597 said:
The only Lower that is prohibited in MD is the Bushmaster, as that is specifically stated in the law. If it says Bushmaster, there is no way to manufacture a MD compliant AR Rifle or Pistol. You can buy a lower and build an AR, but it must be built to MD compliant standards, Heavy barrel (no- cut out for grenade/flare launcher), no folding stock (collapsible okay), minimum length of 29 inches (overall length), minimum barrel length 16 inches, and best to not have a bayonet mount. If you build as a pistol, cannot have a shoulder stock (or it becomes a SBR requiring a tax stamp).

The "cut out" is for a bayonet. The flare launcher simply attaches to the lower rail.

dontpanic · Apr 3, 2017

esqappellate said:
Yes, of course. Forgot about that. So has anyone figured out how they can legally possess the grenades that can be shot out of the SKS? In other words, the ban on launchers on guns with a detachable mag (ARs) is pointless.

It is absolutely ridiculous. Luckily they didn't have a clue what they wre banning. They left out collapsible stocks, thank goodness.

dblas · Apr 3, 2017

Angelo597 said:
The only Lower that is prohibited in MD is the Bushmaster, as that is specifically stated in the law. If it says Bushmaster, there is no way to manufacture a MD compliant AR Rifle or Pistol. You can buy a lower and build an AR, but it must be built to MD compliant standards, Heavy barrel (no- cut out for grenade/flare launcher), no folding stock (collapsible okay), minimum length of 29 inches (overall length), minimum barrel length 16 inches, and best to not have a bayonet mount. If you build as a pistol, cannot have a shoulder stock (or it becomes a SBR requiring a tax stamp).

This is complete and utter bull (no offense), the Bushmaster Carbine listed in the state refers to the Gwynn Bushmaster Carbine, as Bushmaster the company was not producing AR-15 patterned rifles back in 1989 when the first 35 items where put on the regulated rifle list. (BTW the patten for the AR did not expire until 1993, at which point numerous companies started to make them).

MSP, and (then) AG Gansler decided to push the envelope after FSA2013 passed and decided to ban everything "Bushmaster" even though it is illegal to do so per interstate commerce laws.

There ends the lesson.

fabsroman · Apr 3, 2017

dblas said:
This is complete and utter bull (no offense), the Bushmaster Carbine listed in the state refers to the Gwynn Bushmaster Carbine, as Bushmaster the company was not producing AR-15 patterned rifles back in 1989 when the first 35 items where put on the regulated rifle list. (BTW the patten for the AR did not expire until 1993, at which point numerous companies started to make them).

MSP, and (then) AG Gansler decided to push the envelope after FSA2013 passed and decided to ban everything "Bushmaster" even though it is illegal to do so per interstate commerce laws.

There ends the lesson.

Yeah, well there seems to be some parts of the law that contradict one another assuming arguendo, that the Bushmaster ban meant ALL Bushmaster rifles. Does Bushmaster make an AR-15 HBAR that is a copy of the Colt Sporter HBAR? Assuming all Bushmasters are banned, then the Bushmaster HBAR and all copies of it are banned. Meanwhile, the Colt Sporter HBAR and all copies of it are legal. How does one work out that SNAFU. FUBAR.

Clueless, is our Maryland General Assembly.

dblas · Apr 3, 2017

fabsroman said:
Yeah, well there seems to be some parts of the law that contradict one another assuming arguendo, that the Bushmaster ban meant ALL Bushmaster rifles. Does Bushmaster make an AR-15 HBAR that is a copy of the Colt Sporter HBAR? Assuming all Bushmasters are banned, then the Bushmaster HBAR and all copies of it are banned. Meanwhile, the Colt Sporter HBAR and all copies of it are legal. How does one work out that SNAFU. FUBAR.

Clueless, is our Maryland General Assembly.

I actually have a copy of a letter (on actual MSP letterhead) that states that yes, the Bushmaster HBAR is indeed a copy of the Colt Sporter HBAR and could indeed be sold cash and carry.

I will have to find it and post it (Again).

lazarus · Apr 3, 2017

fabsroman said:
Let's just clear it all up, because there is a difference between fixed magazine versus detachable magazine:

§ 4-301(e) Copycat weapon. --
(1) "Copycat weapon" means:
(i) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and has any two of the following:
1. a folding stock;
2. a grenade launcher or flare launcher; or
3. a flash suppressor;
(ii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds;
(iii) a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 29 inches;
(iv) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds;
(v) a semiautomatic shotgun that has a folding stock; or
(vi) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Buy any of those in Maryland and you are in trouble if you get caught.

Edit to add: So, if you are looking at a semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a fixed mag that can only accept 10 rounds, then you can have a flash suppressor, folding stock, and grenade launcher on it. lol

Basically the "SKS exemption" as I like to call it

lazarus · Apr 3, 2017

esqappellate said:
Yes, of course. Forgot about that. So has anyone figured out how they can legally possess the grenades that can be shot out of the SKS? In other words, the ban on launchers on guns with a detachable mag (ARs) is pointless.

Sure, however you get permission for a destructive device from the ATF.

AMDKING · Sep 12, 2017

Been searching around here but couldn't really find any clear info on the topic.. is a stripped lower receiver cash and carry or background/wait?

swinokur · Sep 12, 2017

nope, regulated per MSP.

7 day wait

AMDKING · Sep 12, 2017

Thanks for the quick response! Oh Maryland...

swinokur · Sep 12, 2017

Wonderful ain't it?

AMDKING · Sep 12, 2017

I've lived here for about 6 year now. Not really sure what I was expecting haha!

rbird7282 · Sep 12, 2017

AMDKING said:
Been searching around here but couldn't really find any clear info on the topic.. is a stripped lower receiver cash and carry or background/wait?

Regulated 7 day wait as stated by others but you can get a complete HBAR rifle cash and carry.

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Rob R. · Sep 12, 2017

posted in wrong thread*

Regulus91 · Sep 18, 2017

daggo66 said:
The "cut out" is for a bayonet. The flare launcher simply attaches to the lower rail.

Is this true? How is then that one can mount a bayonet to an HBAR rifle that doesn't have the cutout? AFAIK, the pommel of the grip on the bayonet clicks into the protruding bayonet lug well forward of the cutout on an non-MD complaint "gov't profile" barrel.

outrider58 · Sep 18, 2017

Regulus91 said:
Is this true? How is then that one can mount a bayonet to an HBAR rifle that doesn't have the cutout? AFAIK, the pommel of the grip on the bayonet clicks into the protruding bayonet lug well forward of the cutout on an non-MD complaint "gov't profile" barrel.

Um, no...

To be fair, the older M203s didn't require the front strap, but the modern M4 does. Bayonets mount around the bird cage and under the FSB as alawys.

boss281 · Oct 11, 2017

"4) If this is a semi-automatic centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine, does it have any two of the following: a folding stock; a grenade launcher or flare launcher; or a flash suppressor; If so, then it is banned and may not be purchased, sold, or transferred."

I have both pre 2013 ban and post ban semiautomatics. I want to reduce recoil on two (one a 9mm, the other a standard 5.56/2.23). Both would be modified for run and gun competition.

Is "folding" defined as "collapsible" in MD? My 1995 Colt 6450 9mm carbine has a two position stock, I'd like to replace with one that has more positions. I also have a Windham Weaponry HBC (https://www.windhamweaponry.com/firearms/rifles/223-556-caliber-rifle/hbc/). It's a great bench rifle but the recoil is out of this world and gave me fits in a carbine course. In Maryland, is a flash suppressor the same as a muzzle brake as written? I know technically "no" but here in MD...

TIA.

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