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So if you do a loan to a friend and nobody else sees it or knows about it, is it a crime?
What if you borrow money from your friend?
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
They might have changed that language up because of the revised definition of "transfer" that they are going for. So, by changing that language up, it only applies to the actual SALE of the firearm to somebody. I would be ecstatic if this is what the end result is. UBC for all sales in Maryland with no background check needed to loan a gun to a friend to go hunting or to the range. Granted, I have no idea how this reconciles with the new definition of "transfer". Believe the new definition of transfer was to prevent temporary loans to people and to prevent defendants from relying on Chow v. State.
You need to look at the 'transfer bill" and the "ubc" bill in conjunction to see how they will work together.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
Alright, just read through HB96 that adds LOAN and BORROWER and I think I am fine with the UBC only applying to actual sales of firearms and not loans.
Delegate Atterbeary said there was an out of state workaround when complaining to the Baltimore Sun that her LQL bill had been "gutted". Does she mean two MD residents crossing the border to VA to make a long gun sale (MD resident to MD resident)?
First, I don't know if this is legal (should MD pass a law that requires a NICS check between two residents, I believe federal law says that you must minimally follow your states law even if out of state). Second, who's going to go to the trouble? If someone wants to break the law/not comply, why go out of state?
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First, I don't know if this is legal (should MD pass a law that requires a NICS check between two residents, I believe federal law says that you must minimally follow your states law even if out of state). Second, who's going to go to the trouble? If someone wants to break the law/not comply, why go out of state?
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TheOriginalMexicanBob
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What opinion would Frosh have on that question? I can't see him opining that borrowing, transferring or an actual sale would be substantively different in terms of a violation of law. I wouldn't want to be the test case on that.
As long as you have to say "I think" you really won't know until either the charges are dropped or you start serving your time.
To permit for gifts between non family members? No buyer and seller with gifts. Or to allow long term (all summer) loans to members of a shooting team?
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I'm taking this for my sig line, with a slight modification.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
HB0786 & SB0737 each passed second read with amendments.
Fvck UBC’s
Why anyone would say they would be for that filthy shyte is no friend of the 2a
Why anyone would say they would be for that filthy shyte is no friend of the 2a
- Dec 30, 2012
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The only workaround I see is the fact that we won't follow their unconstitutional law.
basscat
Ultimate Member
- Jul 23, 2012
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I'm glad you're "fine" with UBC. What other infringements would you be fine with?
danb
dont be a dumbass
Yes, "seller" and opposed to "transferor" would appear to exclude gifts. IMO.
Atterbeary lies.... this is also a well established fact.
Atterbeary lies.... this is also a well established fact.
If I, as a private citizen, had the ability to run a background check on a stranger before I sold them a gun I would do it. It doesn't really come up that much for me because I really don't sell much of anything.
I do have a problem with the state requiring it. If someone is shady they'll just buy from other shady people (like they do now) all this will do is add expense and aggravation for people who will try and follow this law.
I do have a problem with the state requiring it. If someone is shady they'll just buy from other shady people (like they do now) all this will do is add expense and aggravation for people who will try and follow this law.
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Bottom 3 pics: Atterbeary with the Mommies outside the House Office Building YESTERDAY, and Mommies with their cucks in the gallery.
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danb
dont be a dumbass
I got just the thing for her.
fabsroman
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Tell me where you would go and buy a gun off the black market should you end up being prohibited? Requiring a UBC makes it virtually impossible for a shady buyer to pull the wool over a law abiding seller's eyes. Supply and demand would make the purchase of black market guns even more expensive.
How many gun owners in Maryland really do any serious due diligence before selling a firearm FTF?
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
She is a politician. Isn't the definition of a politician "a liar so accomplished at the feat that it puts attorneys to shame."
danb
dont be a dumbass
If you are caught committing a crime with the illegally transferred rifle you got from me "he stole it." Thats my story and I am sticking to it.
If she were that accomplished she would not have been caught twice on camera.
If she were that accomplished she would not have been caught twice on camera.
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