California 2018 Ammo law?

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  • pilot25

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    Jul 13, 2016
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    How does this law affect those who reload?
     

    DC-W

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    Jan 23, 2013
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    As far as I know, it doesn’t at all. CA’s new laws pertain to “ammunition” and they define ammunition for non-prohibited persons as,
    “16150. (a) As used in this part, except in subdivision (a) of Section 30305 and in Section 30306, “ammunition” means one or more loaded cartridges consisting of a primed case, propellant, and with one or more projectiles. “Ammunition” does not include blanks.”

    https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/...ivision=2.&title=1.&part=6.&chapter=&article=

    Primers, cases, and projectiles alone don’t qualify as ammunition. It would seem that one could purchase all the components without going thru a vendor or getting the license and make everything on their own.

    Dean Weingarten seems to hold a similar view
    https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2016/07/new-california-ammunition-law.html?m=1

    IANAL

    More on the requirements:
    https://www.firearmspolicy.org/cali..._every_gun_owner_should_know_before_january_1

    https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=30314.
     

    swamplynx

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    Jul 28, 2014
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    How are these commie bastards running the background investigation for ammo purchases? Some CA internal system that pipes to NCIC? Or are they having dealers use NICS, which AFAIK is illegal outside of a firearms transaction?
     

    wabbit

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    Apr 29, 2010
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    There isn't a background check for ammo purchases, yet. Ammo must be bought by a CA resident from a dealer with an ammo sales permit who is required to check the buyer's ID. This makes it impossible to mail order ammo. The new law also makes it illegal for a CA resident to buy ammo out of state and bring it back into CA. They have to shoot it all outside CA. Of course, the law doesn't apply to people who aren't CA residents, so one of us can bring a case of ammo into CA and happen to "forget" it when leaving a friend's house. ;)
     

    bbrown

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    Oct 10, 2009
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    I'm just curious how CA would ever know if someone purchased ammo out of state and brought it in.... unless they have a requirement for an inventory of already possessed ammo, seems like it would be unenforceable.

    Doesn't the state have checkpoints at all/most roads leading into/out of the state? Entry checkpoints already check for contraband fruit/vegetables.
     

    WeaponsCollector

    EXTREME GUN OWNER
    Mar 30, 2009
    12,120
    Southern MD
    So in order to violate the 2nd amendment they also have to violate the 4th amendment....
    Domestic enemies of the constitution, nothing more nothing less.
     

    rbird7282

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    Doesn't the state have checkpoints at all/most roads leading into/out of the state? Entry checkpoints already check for contraband fruit/vegetables.



    At all/most roads leading in/out of the state? Seriously? There is no way they would have the time and manpower to do that. Perhaps a few main thoroughfares but that's about it.


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    Doctor_M

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    Looks like there are only a total of 16 agriculture "Border Protection" stations. Hardly comprehensive for a state the size of CA.
     

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    TheOriginalMexicanBob

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    Jul 2, 2017
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    There will be entrepreneurs who set up shop selling ammunition just over the line in Nevada. This law will create a new class of criminals...Californians who attempt tp exercise their Constitutional rights. The state will could create an ammunition task force to stop such contraband coming into the state and the "criminals" who are trying to circumvent the law.
     

    Doctor_M

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    From their website...

    "California’s Border Protection Stations (BPS) are the first line of defense in our pest exclusion efforts. At these stations, vehicles are inspected for commodities infested with invasive species. California established its first agricultural inspection stations in the early 1920s. Today there are 16 of these facilities located on the major highways entering the State (see interactive map). At these stations, vehicles and commodities are checked to ensure they are pest free and meet all regulatory requirements. Most years, more than 20 million private vehicles and 7 million commercial vehicles were inspected at the BPS. From these vehicles, inspectors rejected over 82,000 lots of plant material (fruits, vegetables, plants, etc.) because they were in violation of California or federal plant quarantine laws.

    Watercraft, self-movers, recreational vehicles and utility vehicles comprise about five percent of the vehicles that pass through the stations yearly. Commercial vehicles cover over 25 percent of the traffic. The remaining 70% are classified as passenger private vehicles that are required to be screened for routes of travel determining pest risk and level of inspection. Inspectors are busy day in and day out, filtering and inspecting these 20 million vehicles that come into the State. As a result, inspectors intercepted thousands of contraband material annually."

    THE PLANT POLICE... who knew?
     

    TheOriginalMexicanBob

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    If, during a legal search of your vehicle, contraband unrelated to that legal search is found, it can be confiscated and you charged with the offense. Now...is that a real likelihood? I guess Californians will find out.
     

    Boom Boom

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    Jul 16, 2010
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    Carroll
    If, during a legal search of your vehicle, contraband unrelated to that legal search is found, it can be confiscated and you charged with the offense. Now...is that a real likelihood? I guess Californians will find out.

    That's the whole point of the BPS checkpoints. To use plants as an excuse to check for everything else. Likelihood? It's been happening for many years. If anything, expect CA to expand the number of checkpoints.
     

    md123

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    Jul 29, 2011
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    I bought a Dillon 650 this fall for a few reasons, not the least of which was anticipation that MD will ban ammo delivery as well.

    Hope I’m wrong.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    Aug 2, 2009
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    16 doesn't seem like a lot , but much of Cali really only has limited places to enter . Only finite number of bridges over Colorado river . A cpl of desert tracks near Death Valley , maybe a cpl Jeep trails around Tahoe .

    Probably better odds of only curosy checks during one of the 15mi backups for the I-15 checkpoint .
     

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