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Old December 6th, 2018, 10:07 AM #21
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Iím tired of hearing about ďthe Stateís interest in public safetyĒ. It seems like I tís nothing but an excuse to restrict our rights at every turn.


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Actually, it is in the State's interest to NOT engage in public safety - it gives the State the excuse to continue on its power grab of rights from the citizenry under the guise of "public safety". After all, if the public were safe, there would be no need to grab their rights.

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Old December 6th, 2018, 10:34 AM #22
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It must be a terrible feeling to arrest one for exercising their Constitutional rights? If one has the power to arrest they also are not held to the same laws against the Constitution so ... no feelings known?


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You're funny. LE will not turn against the chain of command. As has been demonstrated by LE on this very board, they will enforce lawful orders. Stop trying to have your wet dream of the police somehow ignoring the law. LE is not the friend of the 2A.

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I too would not put faith in our Law Enforcement here in Maryland. Too many times they have demonstrated that they will proudly trample upon the Constitution and on your rights in order to please their chain of command. Like other LEO's have stated here on this forum. If they refuse to follow unlawful orders then they'll just find someone else to carry it out.
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That being said this will embolden the left when they introduce the new Maryland bill banning the possession of magazines that hold 10 rounds or more. This time around it will pass! How this is enforceable is anyone's guess. At what point do we say enough is enough?
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https://www.anjrpc.org/donations/donate.asp?id=4356

This link will allow you to donate to the lead plaintiffs in this case, who are no doubt incurring attorneys' fees at this moment seeking either en banc Third Circuit or SCOTUS review. This is a BFD.
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Old December 6th, 2018, 11:20 AM #26
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They really should look at stringing out an en banc petition. The third circuit is 6-6 GOP vs Dems but 2 seats are vacant and 1 has already been nominated.
String it out until at least one of them has been seated.
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That being said this will embolden the left when they introduce the new Maryland bill banning the possession of magazines that hold 10 rounds or more. This time around it will pass! How this is enforceable is anyone's guess. At what point do we say enough is enough?
The 7 round law didn't make it in NY with a liberal 2nd circuit, so the 4th circuit may be leery of creating a split over it.
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You're funny. LE will not turn against the chain of command. As has been demonstrated by LE on this very board, they will enforce lawful Unconsititutional orders. Stop trying to have your wet dream of the police somehow ignoring the law. LE is not the friend of the 2A.

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Here is the rub. Why in all these findings of burdening the second amendment the courts and judges never ever fully explain and justify what "reasonably fits the Stateís interest in public safety" really means.


How does it reasonably fit and need a full explaining of public safety burden the Bill of Rights.

I am not safe due to any of the finding's written in this brief.
It is not really for the court to determine what "reasonably fits the State's interest in public safety". The court is there to determine if there is sufficient evidence that "reasonably fits the State's interest in public safety". It is the plaintiff's job to poke holes in their evidence. Instead of poking holes in the State's evidence they chose to provide other evidence.

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The bill is always preceded by a statement from the legislature saying that they (the legislature) find that it will further the states interest in public safety. When the courts donít want to get involved they just point to that legislative finding throw up their hands...
The court did not simply use the legislative finding, there were correlations and anecdotes demonstrating the findings. Instead of demonstrating why these correlations and anecdotes were not causation, the plaintiffs chose to use use other correlations and anecdotes.

The State says "large capacity magazines" were present in a lot of mass shootings. While this is technically correct, it does nothing to determine if the states hypothesis is correct. The plaintiffs do not demonstrate that if the magazines in these cases were replaced with 10 round magazines the results would have been the same in almost all cases.

They present anecdotes on how changing a magazine helped a few people. IT certainly gives a hypothetical benefit. The plaintiffs did not demonstrate why these are exceptions and not the rule.

We lose these cases because they are poorly argued.
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at some point, the attempt will be to ban all magazines.

the only thing legal will be a "plug" mag, that doesn't store anything, it just fills the mag well. every gun must be a single shot.

it's all for the chill'ens.

the new gov in nevada is promising to take the state full anti in the next legislative session. strong dem majorities in both the senate and assembly.

the details are not in yet. he is talking about a full on ban of : hc mags, ars, bumpers, and silencers. (his words)

session starts in february. lets see how fun this one gets.
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