M&P 15/22s banned at Appleseed events

To: All Appleseed Instructors

Subject: TEMPORARY BAN ON SMITH & WESSON M&P 15/22 USE AT APPLESEED

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE USE OF SMITH AND WESSON M&P 15/22’S AT AN APPLESEED IS HEREBY BANNED UNTIL SMITH & WESSON FORMALLY INVESTIGATES THE PROBLEM AND ISSUES AN OFFICIAL CORRECTIVE ACTION. THE AOC WILL NOTIFY THE CADRE WHEN THIS BAN IS LIFTED.

The AOC has received a rash of reports regarding safety issues with the Smith & Wesson M&P 15/22, including a shooter getting injured as a result of an out-of-battery discharge (see reports below).

As responsible Instructors, we have a duty to maintain safety at our events. If we know a rifle to be potentially unsafe, we shouldn’t allow it on the line at all.

At this time the least risk course of action would be to exclude the Smith & Wesson M&P 15/22 from future events until Smith & Wesson formally investigates the problem and issues an official corrective action.


REPORTS TO BE AWARE OF:

Bowie, MD: A shooter (RHS) firing a M&P 15/22 with Remington 22 Thunderbolt Ammo had an out of battery discharge. A Metal Fragment hit the arm of a shooter next to her (LHS) in her right arm. She, did not realize that she had been hit with fragments at first and continued to fire until blood begin to pool (time est. 11:10am) feeling only a warm sting. Instructors rendered first aid applying a compression type bandage to stop the bleeding. Shoot boss suggested that she go to local hospital or emergency clinic. She was able to drive herself to the hospital. They took x-rays of the area and found a fragment deep in her arm. Hospital suggested that she see an Orthopedic surgeon or her Doctor on Monday to have the object removed but surgery should not be required.

Casper, WY: This past weekend we had a student show up with a 15/22. She had been using it pretty regular, since she had also attended our recent boot camp. After about 8 sets of squares, she began to notice the malfunction. Upon careful observation, it was noticed that as she reset the sear the rifle would discharge. We called cease fire and immediately removed this rifle from the line, and replaced it with a loaner.

Once off line, it was field stripped and upon inspection, found that not only was it firing at reset, but also when the safety was engaged. Further inspection found that the trigger pin and the hammer pin were both loose. They both had moved about 1/16th of an inch to the right. Just enough to be loose on the left side of the receiver. The pins were gently hammered back in and function checks performed. After about 3 sets, the hammer pin slid out again.

The rifle was reassembled and tagged out, student was told that 1) the rifle needed to be seen by her gunsmith; or 2) (my recommendation) sent back to the manufacturer for repair/replacement.

Michigan Senior Instructor: The SI wanted to shoot an AQT with his 15/22, but he needed to verify the zero. Another instructor volunteered to take the rifle over to another range, put it on a bench, and confirm zero. While shooting the first string, after pulling the trigger, the extractor shot out the ejection port along with the case and the extractor spring. The case was retrieved and it was observed to be split down the side, indicating that the rifle fired out of battery. Fortunately, the instructor was alone on the range, and no one was injured. The rifle was sent back to S&W, and it was repaired and returned. A copy of one page of the manual was enclosed, highlighting the need to keep the rifle clean and only use certain types of ammunition, insinuating that the problem was operator error, not a design flaw. The Senior Instructor sold the rifle shortly thereafter.

Michigan Instructor: “Back before I was more familiar with this model, we had a malfunction of the Extractor during an event – it simply fell apart during a course of fire. I took it to Williams and they said it needed to go back to S&W. To save time I just bought a new extractor, springs and dowel pins and replaced them myself. Tested it and it worked fine, that’s until it malfunctioned again after several hundred rounds down range.

As the old saying goes “two is one and one is none” – I had purchased several extractors, springs and dowel pins – replaced it a second time and it worked fine all up until I had a “Run-Away…” Luckily I had the muzzle pointed down range as it spit out the balance of 30 rounds down range without the need to have a finger on the trigger….
I contacted S&W and they sent me a repair tag and shipped it back to them. Upon its return I noticed that they replaced the hammer, sear and all the springs were replaced with “Blue” springs. The rifle performed well the after that but I never brought it back to an Appleseed. It now sits in the vault as an expensive club.”

Montpelier, VA: I’ve witnessed out-of-battery firing and squib from M&P 15/22’s twice but never from a 10/22.

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aray said:

Very interesting as you'll see below:

I too had the trigger pin fall out of one side of the receiver (though to the best of my recollection it was the right hand side). This was at a non-Appleseed event shortly after I purchased the rifle. I put the pin back in and so far it's never worked its way out since then.

In addition to that at my first Appleseed event years ago my daughter had an out of battery discharge from the same S&W M&P 15/22. We pulled the rifle and the Appleseed instructors gave her a loaner rifle to finish the event. When I got it home I discovered some damage (extractor spring and extractor), so I sent it back to S&W for repair (no cost). We haven't had problems since that time. I did then and still do now avoid ammo the S&W manual says to avoid.

Interesting that Appleseed thinks there may be a pattern. I just thought both were separate one-time flukes and as I said I've never had problems since that time. I still shoot the rifle, and I like it. The Appleseed event mentioned above was not at Bowie but at AAF&G.

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travistheone said:

what do you expect for cheap plastic guns.

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Boom Boom said:

Brilliant. All polymer guns should be banned. Nothing but steel allowed.





sarcasm

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Boom Boom said:

Agreed with Chad. No doubt Thunderbolts contribute to the problem as reported. As is, when brand new, the 15-22 recoil spring is weak. Won't surprise me if S&W starts sending out stiffer replacement springs to owners.

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travistheone said:

i said cheap plastic guns.

i don't support a ban on anything. i also don't support cheap garbage being shot by children.

there are a thousand examples of polymer guns that aren't cheap.

i had a 15/22 with a cracked receiver.

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protegeV said:

Hmm. My 15-22 has been dead nuts reliable for years.

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Boom Boom said:

Define "cheap garbage" in detail then. Plenty of polymer guns cost less than the 15-22, including handguns. Should kids should not be allowed to shoot Plinkster's, M4 Ops, and various Cricket's, Savage 64's, and 10/22's? What exactly qualifies and disqualifies any and all with the subjectivity test?

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doggyjacket said:

Out of curiosity, what ammo does it say to avoid?

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