Zirkin getting the blame in media

dblas · Apr 11, 2019

TexDefender said:
The question then is why would "Leadership want this to die"? To me that is needs to be determined.

Short answer would be to send a message to freshman Delegate that her actions this session were out of line.

dblas · Apr 11, 2019

danb said:
And how to we harness it, bottle it, and hand out more of it next year.

Keep poking her so she becomes even more egotistical, and continues to step out of bounds of perceived conduct behind the scenes.

teratos · Apr 11, 2019

F5guy said:
Opportunity to set the record straight publicly. I’m betting the post gets deleted before long. https://www.facebook.com/324858467568005/posts/2124313320955835?sfns=mo

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Well done.

PowPow · Apr 11, 2019

dblas said:
No, I think Zirkin and the rest of the JPR were put out by Delegate Atterbery's response to the amendments made to her bill, even go so far (too far) as to complain in public to the BS. That just doesn't get done during the legislative session, and the JPR first amending her bill in such a way that the House would not accept it, and then not nominating members to a conference committee was their way of telling her she was out of line.

If she thinks she will get a different result on the same type of bill nect session, then she had better learn to play nice with others, but I really hope she doesn't and continues to act as aloof as she does.

If Del. Atterbeary is indeed a SJW, she will think the same and expect that her way of thinking ultimately prevails. After all, she just didn't do a good enough job explaining it the first time. The next time it fails, she'll come back and say she didn't do a good enough job explaining it either time. And it repeats until hopefully she goes away. It's never the idea that's the problem with SJWs - it's just that the sales pitch needs to be improved.

dblas · Apr 11, 2019

PowPow said:
If Del. Atterbeary is indeed a SJW, she will think the same and expect that her way of thinking ultimately prevails. After all, she just didn't do a good enough job explaining it the first time. The next time it fails, she'll come back and say she didn't do a good enough job explaining it either time. And it repeats until hopefully she goes away. It's never the idea that's the problem with SJWs - it's just that the sales pitch needs to be improved.

Yep, and as far as I am concerned, she can continue that approach to her hearts content.

PowPow · Apr 11, 2019

#MeToo

fidelity · Apr 11, 2019

dblas said:
No, I think Zirkin and the rest of the JPR were put out by Delegate Atterbery's response to the amendments made to her bill, even go so far (too far) as to complain in public to the BS. That just doesn't get done during the legislative session, and the JPR first amending her bill in such a way that the House would not accept it, and then not nominating members to a conference committee was their way of telling her she was out of line.

If she thinks she will get a different result on the same type of bill nect session, then she had better learn to play nice with others, but I really hope she doesn't and continues to act as aloof as she does.

Good point. I believe the interview with the Sun was mid March when she complained that the Senate had "gutted" her bill. Not a great way to negotiate with the other chamber, especially in your own party.

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teratos · Apr 11, 2019

fidelity said:
Good point. I believe the interview with the Sun was mid March when she complained that the Senate had "gutted" her bill. Not a great way to negotiate with the other chamber, especially in your own party.

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Nooooo. She did great! I’m going to send her a handwritten note encouraging her to never back down.

danb · Apr 11, 2019

dblas said:
No, I think Zirkin and the rest of the JPR were put out by Delegate Atterbery's response to the amendments made to her bill, even go so far (too far) as to complain in public to the BS. That just doesn't get done during the legislative session, and the JPR first amending her bill in such a way that the House would not accept it, and then not nominating members to a conference committee was their way of telling her she was out of line.

If she thinks she will get a different result on the same type of bill nect session, then she had better learn to play nice with others, but I really hope she doesn't and continues to act as aloof as she does.

I am starting to think she is a bad lawyer, learned nothing in school, and she will turn out to be equally incompetent in Annapolis. I find it hard to believe she actually believes the nonsense she was spouting, because I find it hard to believe she is that dumb. But every day brings more evidence I am wrong. If there cannot be a Republican in 13, her incompetence is the next best thing. I just may support her re-election. With deep apologies to everyone in 13.

WatTyler · Apr 12, 2019

Lady, I'm sorry that guy shot our husband. Since I didn't do it, please don't take away my rights.

jrh0341 · Apr 12, 2019

PowPow said:
That's why I think she is losing her grip with reality.

you mean letting go of her burden of reality.

She knows good and damn well that one more platform for fake moral outrage can only serve her cause, so what does she care if that's not what happened? She can still try to make hay.

jrh0341 · Apr 12, 2019

Ammo Jon said:
Moms Demand Agreement. If you don’t you’re a racist/mysognist/gun nut. Until they realize we are not a monolith than a real conversation will never take place. I’ll engage any of them in conversation and be willing to listen if they would do the same.

Except that they don't care if we're a monolith, nor do they want a real conversation.

They aren't talking to us. They're talking to the general public. They want to portray us as racist/misogynist/gun nuts, so that the general public voter won't stop to listen to the CONTENT of our arguments.

"They're bad people and you should dislike them" is a much easier political angle than "They're actually incorrect".

fidelity · Apr 12, 2019

CyclicUpvote said:
Except that they don't care if we're a monolith, nor do they want a real conversation.

They aren't talking to us. They're talking to the general public. They want to portray us as racist/misogynist/gun nuts, so that the general public voter won't stop to listen to the CONTENT of our arguments.

"They're bad people and you should dislike them" is a much easier political angle than "They're actually incorrect".

They lie and obfuscate to the public continuously (vs general banter on their own forum). Whether it's continuously talking about how their forced NICS check for secondary long gun sales bill might have prevented the Capital Gazette murders (when the shooter passed a NICS check), or accuse MD pro-2A groups for advocating rape on Twitter in a newspaper editorial as well as on Twitter by the leader of their national organization.

Here is an example that I spotted on Twitter from someone that is actively involved in the MD MDA. How many falsehoods are in this characterization? I believe that this particular gentleman (whom we can call #2A Bro, lol) was in a section that they occupied and eventually left and there were plenty of other wearing WWNC shirts in a section on the other side, as well as in the halls unable to get a seat.

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teratos · Apr 12, 2019

fidelity said:
They lie and obfuscate to the public continuously (vs general banter on their own forum). Whether it's continuously talking about how their forced NICS check for secondary long gun sales bill might have prevented the Capital Gazette murders (when the shooter passed a NICS check), or accuse MD pro-2A groups for advocating rape on Twitter in a newspaper editorial as well as on Twitter by the leader of their national organization.

Here is an example that I spotted on Twitter from someone that is actively involved in the MD MDA. How many falsehoods are in this characterization? I believe that this particular gentleman (whom we can call #2A Bro, lol) was in a section that they occupied and eventually left and there were plenty of other wearing WWNC shirts in a section on the other side, as well as in the halls unable to get a seat.

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They are delusional

clandestine · Apr 12, 2019

fidelity said:
They lie and obfuscate to the public continuously (vs general banter on their own forum). Whether it's continuously talking about how their forced NICS check for secondary long gun sales bill might have prevented the Capital Gazette murders (when the shooter passed a NICS check), or accuse MD pro-2A groups for advocating rape on Twitter in a newspaper editorial as well as on Twitter by the leader of their national organization.

Here is an example that I spotted on Twitter from someone that is actively involved in the MD MDA. How many falsehoods are in this characterization? I believe that this particular gentleman (whom we can call #2A Bro, lol) was in a section that they occupied and eventually left and there were plenty of other wearing WWNC shirts in a section on the other side, as well as in the halls unable to get a seat.

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One of our recently departed could have written that trash.

fidelity · Apr 12, 2019

teratos said:
They are delusional

clandestine said:
One of our recently departed could have written that trash.

Fortunately, Deep Lurker, Knovotny, MigraineMan, and others were talking pics that night - so there's ample photographic evidence to counter this fake spin. But I was late in seeing this tweet, so we're unable to counter the bs in real time.

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teratos · Apr 12, 2019

fidelity said:
Fortunately, Deep Lurker, Knovotny, MigraineMan, and others were talking pics that night - so there's ample photographic evidence to counter this fake spin. But I was late in seeing this tweet, so we're unable to counter the bs in real time.

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Something we need to monitor next year.

PowPow · Apr 12, 2019

fidelity said:
They lie and obfuscate to the public continuously (vs general banter on their own forum). Whether it's continuously talking about how their forced NICS check for secondary long gun sales bill might have prevented the Capital Gazette murders (when the shooter passed a NICS check), or accuse MD pro-2A groups for advocating rape on Twitter in a newspaper editorial as well as on Twitter by the leader of their national organization.

Here is an example that I spotted on Twitter from someone that is actively involved in the MD MDA. How many falsehoods are in this characterization? I believe that this particular gentleman (whom we can call #2A Bro, lol) was in a section that they occupied and eventually left and there were plenty of other wearing WWNC shirts in a section on the other side, as well as in the halls unable to get a seat.

Lovin' it! Notice the pocket constitution in #2A Bro's right hand? That picture was taken Monday morning. #2A Bro was the only WWNC shirt in the Senate at that time. Everyone else was outside.

PowPow · Apr 12, 2019

PowPow said:
Lovin' it! Notice the pocket constitution in #2A Bro's right hand? That picture was taken Monday morning. #2A Bro was the only WWNC shirt in the Senate at that time. Everyone else was outside.

Ask me how I know? lol

fidelity · Apr 12, 2019

PowPow said:
Lovin' it! Notice the pocket constitution in #2A Bro's right hand? That picture was taken Monday morning. #2A Bro was the only WWNC shirt in the Senate at that time. Everyone else was outside.

PowPow said:
Ask me how I know? lol

She posted at 12:19pm, so she had to know that there were other WWNC shirt wearers in the capital building and general vicinity.

And how would you know, #2A Bro?

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