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  • ironpony

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    wtf, can someone please remind me of the last piece of good news for MD 2A? ... just for shits and giggles

    Does Wolf have a chance?
     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
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    Jan 22, 2009
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    What data shows that the widespread carrying of firearms increases deaths/violence?
     

    dogbone

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    Nov 14, 2011
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    GTT - Gone To Texas
    Are his stats true???? Or are they sort of like how 55% of gun deaths are self inflicted and included in the overall death number. I would say the 800 citizens killed by CCW are probably mostly justified homicides

    Probably grabbing his stats from the Violence Policy Center.

    http://www.vpc.org/press/more-than-...latest-violence-policy-center-research-shows/

    They count a suicide by a permit holder as a "killing." They also lump in cases still under investigation or working through the courts.
     

    jrumann59

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    Feb 17, 2011
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    Let's presume that Frosh under-reported and all of the cited are non-justified. 1,000 over a ten-year period. That's 100 / year. Now I'm no mathematician, but that seems like it would be a pretty low homicide rate for permit holders as compared to the general public.

    Just figure the MSM would be quick to pounce on 100 people a year getting killed by the CC'ers
     

    Bob A

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    What data shows that the widespread carrying of firearms increases deaths/violence?

    If by "data" you mean verifiable facts, vetted and neutrally biased, that would be an empty set.
     

    dogbone

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    Nov 14, 2011
    2,981
    GTT - Gone To Texas
    What data shows that the widespread carrying of firearms increases deaths/violence?

    Possible source for that tidbit is mentioned here:

    http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/concealed-carry/

    Myth: Right-To-Carry laws increase violent crime 13-15%

    Fact: This rather miserable working paper is a wellspring of bad methodology, which might explain why it was not (as of July 2017) published in a peer reviewed journal.

    On the other hand, he may have asked Danny boy Webster to cobble up whatever numbers he needed.
     

    jc1240

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    “This is why (state) legislatures and law enforcement have … opted to strike a permissible
    balance between granting handgun permits to those persons known to be in need of selfprotection
    and precluding a dangerous proliferation of handguns on the streets,” the brief notes.

    Yeah, how's that "balance" working out for Baltimore?
     

    TexDefender

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    Feb 28, 2017
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    Let's presume that Frosh under-reported and all of the cited are non-justified. 1,000 over a ten-year period. That's 100 / year. Now I'm no mathematician, but that seems like it would be a pretty low homicide rate for permit holders as compared to the general public.

    About 7 people per month, across the entire US... Not statically significant.
     

    Jim12

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    Jan 30, 2013
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    "Common Sense" was a pamphlet written by Thomas Paine in 1776, advocating the American colonies' independence from Great Britain.

    "...Originally published anonymously, “Common Sense” advocated independence for the American colonies from Britain and is considered one of the most influential pamphlets in American history. Credited with uniting average citizens and political leaders behind the idea of independence, “Common Sense” played a remarkable role in transforming a colonial squabble into the American Revolution.

    At the time Paine wrote “Common Sense,” most colonists considered themselves to be aggrieved Britons. Paine fundamentally changed the tenor of colonists’ argument with the crown when he wrote the following: “Europe, and not England, is the parent country of America. This new world hath been the asylum for the persecuted lovers of civil and religious liberty from every part of Europe. Hither they have fled, not from the tender embraces of the mother, but from the cruelty of the monster; and it is so far true of England, that the same tyranny which drove the first emigrants from home, pursues their descendants still....” https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/thomas-paine-publishes-common-sense


    What would Thomas Paine say in response to Frosh's misplaced use of the Leftist's code phrase and dog whistle, "Common Sense" and gun control?

    How about this:

    Thomas Paine Quotes About Guns

    "Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine

    and

    "The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world not destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside ... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them ... the weak will become prey to the strong." - Thomas Paine

    http://www.azquotes.com/author/11249-Thomas_Paine/tag/gun

    THAT is "common sense."
     
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    KJackson

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    Apr 3, 2017
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    In 10 years, 17 police officers were shot and killed by CCW people, if his numbers are to be believed. How many have been shot and killed by repeat violent offenders who are not allowed to legally possess a gun but do and have their charges dropped whenever they are caught with one?

    To go on a side tangent, how many people were killed during the same period by police officers using their guns in a criminal manner? I am not necessarily talking about a line-of-duty shooting but rather say, a murder-suicide committed by a police officer. I am in no way attempting to disparage the office of police officer, but rather pointing out that even those groups who have had all sorts of special training in the use of firearms will sometimes have members who break the law.
     

    DanGuy48

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    That idiot needs to open his eyes and simply look around. All of the things he’s so worried about DO NOT HAPPEN when regular folks carry concealed. If he’d get out of his warm, fuzzy, progressive cocoon and go to neighboring WV, he could see. But nooooo, better to keep the blinders on.

    Ignorance is one thing but when someone just doubles down in the face of evidence to the contrary, they are either stupid or just up to no good.
     

    Jim12

    Let Freedom Ring
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    Jan 30, 2013
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    That idiot needs to open his eyes and simply look around. All of the things he’s so worried about DO NOT HAPPEN when regular folks carry concealed. If he’d get out of his warm, fuzzy, progressive cocoon and go to neighboring WV, he could see. But nooooo, better to keep the blinders on.

    Ignorance is one thing but when someone just doubles down in the face of evidence to the contrary, they are either stupid or just up to no good.

    He's an ideologue.
     

    DC-W

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    Jan 23, 2013
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    Frosh believes that Baltimore is a bad test case for the efficacy of gun control laws. How convenient.


     

    Jim12

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    Jan 30, 2013
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    Frosh believes that Baltimore is a bad test case for the efficacy of gun control laws. How convenient.




    Freddy Gray's death is the cause of Baltimore's "gun violence"? Did I hear him correctly?

    Now he tells us.

    1. If Baltimore is a bad test case for the efficacy of gun control laws, then it's a bad test case for the need for gun laws, too.

    2. If Baltimore is different from other places, its laws should be different, too.

    3. Gun control laws come in hundreds of sizes, shapes, and forms. They have two things in common: First, they don't work. Second, they are racist. Maybe that also goes to #1.
     

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