HPRB Under Attack: Hearings 3/12

motorcoachdoug · Mar 20, 2019

Can Hogan still veto this bill?

Malleovic · Mar 20, 2019

motorcoachdoug said:
Can Hogan still veto this bill?

Has not been voted on by either chamber. So yes, but we really don't know because it hasn't gotten that far. Need to see the vote totals.

BeoBill · Mar 20, 2019

I foresee another PP turnout...

Jaybeez · Mar 20, 2019

danb said:
Perhaps this will make a great basis for a lawsuit that will be argued in front of a hostile 4th circuit now filled with Trump appointees.

I am always very reluctant to interrupt my enemies when they are making a huge mistake in my favor.

HPRB is going to die, not the way they think.

The Snowden case relied heavily on the HPRB's interpretation of G&S and reasonable precaution of apprehended danger. The Scherr case relied heavily on Snowden.
If the HPRB becomes a ghost of legislation past, I imagine its options from the past no longer carry any weight and any judicial decisions based on it wont either.

But I'm not a lawyer or a caveman.

danb · Mar 20, 2019

Jaybeez said:
The Snowden case relied heavily on the HPRB's interpretation of G&S and reasonable precaution of apprehended danger. The Scherr case relied heavily on Snowden.
If the HPRB becomes a ghost of legislation past, I imagine its options from the past no longer carry any weight and any judicial decisions based on it wont either.

But I'm not a lawyer or a caveman.

The 2nd amendment is now incorporated, so what matters is what the 4th circuit thinks, or thought, in Woollard.

Bob A · Mar 20, 2019

HPRB's decisions carry no weight outside of the particular case in review. No precedent is established, everyone starts from zero and hopes for the best.

dblas · Mar 20, 2019

Jaybeez said:
The Snowden case relied heavily on the HPRB's interpretation of G&S and reasonable precaution of apprehended danger. The Scherr case relied heavily on Snowden.
If the HPRB becomes a ghost of legislation past, I imagine its options from the past no longer carry any weight and any judicial decisions based on it wont either.

But I'm not a lawyer or a caveman.

Snowden and Scherr were ruled on by the Maryland Court of Special Appeals, and thus is deemed precedent. So even if the HPRB goes away, Snowden and Scherr will still be used by MSP, until someone challenges their denial all the way back to the Court of Special Appeals.

It is my understand that a ruling at any other level OAH, Circuit Court, etc., does not set precedent.

danb · Mar 20, 2019

dblas said:
Snowden and Scherr were ruled on by the Maryland Court of Special Appeals, and thus is deemed precedent. So even if the HPRB goes away, Snowden and Scherr will still be used by MSP, until someone challenges their denial all the way back to the Court of Special Appeals.

It is my understand that a ruling at any other level OAH, Circuit Court, etc., does not set precedent.

ok, I am confused because I thought MSI opined that Woollard was controlling now.

frogman68 · Mar 20, 2019

motorcoachdoug said:
Can Hogan still veto this bill?

Think we have better chance of LCL signing this and while doing so state I have Directed the MSP to accept Self Defense as G&S

PJDiesel · Mar 20, 2019

frogman68 said:
Think we have better chance of LCL signing this and while doing so state I have Directed the MSP to accept Self Defense as G&S

I got a little weak/tattered chuckle reading this.

dblas · Mar 20, 2019

danb said:
ok, I am confused because I thought MSI opined that Woollard was controlling now.

Wollard is not controlling, but McDonald is, in that the 2A applies to states. But a case has not been brought before the Special Court of Appeals to reverse their ruling in Snowden and Scherr. And the AG refuses to acknowledge that McDonald is controlling.

Rack&Roll · Mar 20, 2019

Heads up:. A Senate vote on the two amendments offered on the Kill HPRB SB 1000 will take place during tomorrow’s (Thursday’s) Senate floor session that starts at 10am—this according to the Official MGA agenda, plus a tweet from the Baltimore Sun’s Gun Hater Blogger, Pamela Wood.

I am posting links to the agenda and bill, while including only a screenshot of the Sun’s MOMs stenographer.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...id=current-senate-agenda&stab=01&tab=subject9

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=01&id=SB1000&tab=subject3&ys=2019rs
.

Not_an_outlaw · Mar 20, 2019

Do you know what the amendments are?

BeoBill · Mar 20, 2019

TIME TO CONTACT YOUR SENATECREATURE.

BeoBill · Mar 20, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
Do you know what the amendments are?

What difference does it make? The intent of the bill is clear => do away with the HPRB. I don't care if there's an amendment for free ice cream; the Board will be no more. Isn't that clear enough?

Rack&Roll · Mar 20, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
Do you know what the amendments are?

Click the link:

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2019RS/amds/bil_0000/sb1000_24322302.pdf

You have to take this page back to compare to the bill text itself to figure out what the hell they’re doing

BeoBill · Mar 20, 2019

Rack&Roll said:
Heads up:. A Senate vote on the two amendments offered on the Kill HPRB SB 1000 will take place during tomorrow’s (Thursday’s) Senate floor session that starts at 10am—this according to the Official MGA agenda, plus a tweet from the Baltimore Sun’s Gun Hater Blogger, Pamela Wood.

I am posting links to the agenda and bill, while including only a screenshot of the Sun’s MOMs stenographer.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...id=current-senate-agenda&stab=01&tab=subject9

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=01&id=SB1000&tab=subject3&ys=2019rs
.

I have to wonder how many of her 10k+ followers are Russian troll bot accounts... :shrug:

Maybe drop her a tweet to let her know what you think of her tweet and the Sun article included.

Rack&Roll · Mar 21, 2019

Ok, for comparison purposes, here’s the bill:

Rack&Roll · Mar 21, 2019

And here are the amendments:

Bob A · Mar 21, 2019

Wow, getting rid of the HPRB is an emergency situation, because they pose an immediate threat to public health and safety.

So that's what's killing 300+ people a year in Baltimorgue? Good thing the MDGA is on top of things; God only knows what would become of us without their benevolent oversight, and their brilliant legal protections.

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