AR-15 80% lowers

BigKlavey · Oct 19, 2016

Trying to navigate the gun law changes from 2013 isn't for the faint of heart. Add to that all the issues of look a likes, etc., I thought I would ask some folks who would likely know the answer.
Can I still legally buy an 80% lower and build my own AR-15 in Maryland?

Thanks in advance for all assistance!

NatBoh · Oct 20, 2016

Yes you can!

You have to use your own jig(not borrowed), and do the actual machining yourself.

tttongli · Oct 20, 2016

My understanding is it doesn't have to be your tool or jig, and you have to do at least some part yourself.

NatBoh said:
Yes you can!

You have to use your own jig(not borrowed), and do the actual machining yourself.

GTOGUNNER · Oct 20, 2016

Please introduce yourself here. https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=200875
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MilsurpDan · Oct 20, 2016

Also, it must be assembled in the MD legal "format". I.e. It has to be assembled into an HBAR or pistol if it's a .223/5.56 if I remember correctly.

BigKlavey · Oct 21, 2016

Thanks for the info but to clarify would this set up be legal?

http://www.80percentarms.com/collec...y-of-complete-ar-15-rifle-kit-with-dpms-upper

Thanks

iH8DemLibz · Oct 21, 2016

It would not be legal.

Needs a Heavy Barrel. Can't have deadly kitten killing grenade launcher undercuts.

The kit concept seems sound though.

rseymorejr · Oct 21, 2016

BigKlavey said:
Thanks for the info but to clarify would this set up be legal?

http://www.80percentarms.com/collec...y-of-complete-ar-15-rifle-kit-with-dpms-upper

Thanks

I don't believe that barrel will work. It'd need to be marked "HBAR" or advertised as a heavy barrel.

dogbone · Oct 21, 2016

BigKlavey said:
Thanks for the info but to clarify would this set up be legal?

http://www.80percentarms.com/collec...y-of-complete-ar-15-rifle-kit-with-dpms-upper

Thanks

No. That kit appears to have M4 profile barrel, as do all the other kits offered by that company.

To be in compliance with FSA 2013, you will need to build your rifle with an upper which has a HBAR profile.

Your could build an AR pistol with a barrel less than 16 inches using any profile.

Your third option would be to have model, serial number and manufacturer info engraved on your lower and apply for a Form 1 to build a SBR with a barrel less than 16 inches and an overall length greater than 29 inches. This will cost you $200.00 in tax plus engraving fees and take well over 6 months before your application is approved.

Tower43 · Oct 22, 2016

Could always buy the kit, then another HBAR barrel and use that barrel for the build; if you can't find a complete kit for cheaper, but take a look at http://daytonatactical.com

Tower43 · Oct 22, 2016

I believe Engage has some sick WOA SDM barrels for sale currently

Pinecone · Oct 26, 2016

You can use a borrowed or rented jig. Even a borrowed or rented milling machine. But you have to do the work.

What you may NOT do, is to use someone else's, pre-programmed, CNC mill and just stick your 80% in and press Start. BATFE has classified that as the person who wrote the CNC program is the manufacturer, not the person who pushed the start button.

davsco · Oct 26, 2016

Pinecone said:
You can use a borrowed or rented jig. Even a borrowed or rented milling machine. But you have to do the work.

What you may NOT do, is to use someone else's, pre-programmed, CNC mill and just stick your 80% in and press Start. BATFE has classified that as the person who wrote the CNC program is the manufacturer, not the person who pushed the start button.

wow, who came up with all of these totally unenforceable laws, what a friggin waste of time.

bbguns · Oct 26, 2016

davsco said:
wow, who came up with all of these totally unenforceable laws, what a friggin waste of time.

Politicians who want to control the population.

I believe that ATF rule was aimed directly at Ghost Gunner (https://ghostgunner.net/)

lazarus · Oct 26, 2016

davsco said:
wow, who came up with all of these totally unenforceable laws, what a friggin waste of time.

That isn't really unenforceable if they go after the manufacturer or a "large" provider. By provider I mean the few co-op type things that advertise they rent them or you can buy a share, etc.

I mean, I think it is a stupid application of the law, but it isn't unenforceable.

blankford · Oct 26, 2016

davsco said:
wow, who came up with all of these totally unenforceable laws, what a friggin waste of time.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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