clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Spot on Smores, but Grease and 30W Syn Motor Oil wil keep a suppressed D.I. AR running very smoothly if its build correctly.
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Spot on Smores, but Grease and 30W Syn Motor Oil wil keep a suppressed D.I. AR running very smoothly if its build correctly.
Based off every piece of advice i've ever heard you give i'll take that as gold. Let me throw you another question, i know an ar build is pretty straight forward from what i've seen. I've built a 1911 before and its fully functional, all safety checks work and no ftf or fte for quite a few rounds. How hard is an hk33 build. I'm decent with my syncrowave but it looks a bit of a challenge.
Markp
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About as hard as a G3/HK91 build... if you can weld, this is a piece of cake. The biggest trick is bending and straightening the receiver. Fortunately I have a full length mandrel that makes it a snap to get it perfectly straight and have nice squared up rails. Weapons Guild has all the info you need.
Mark
Cool i'll check it out, welding isn't a problem. Most people make their own pressing jigs? Have a 10 ton press at the shop.
Markp
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When you need to straighten the receiver, you need to use a press with a decent throat length. I use a HF 20 ton, but a 10 ton press will bend it. I bent some using a 3/4" steel rod and a screw driver... so yes, you don't need anything fancy, just patience.
Mark
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Thankyou for your kind words.
I try to inform people the best I can so they wont make a buy they regret, or so can maximize the value of what they are looking for. I have seen pretty much everything under shte sun, what works, and what dosent. I hate seeing good people spend their hard earned money on things that are cheaply build, hyped up, or is just junk. HK33's arent hard if you have the jigs, welder, and press. You have to build heatsinks too because welding the rrunnion into a receiver will cause the trunnion to get too soft or hard, leading to problems in very few rounds (Headspace Changes). You will then have to construct a home park tank or pay someone to park your setup.
Best bet is to get a good Vector .223 clone.
Get this if you dont want to SBR it http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct522.aspx
Get this if you want a SBR, get it on a BATFE Form 1, and then add a collapsible or fixed stock
K Variant http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct889.aspx
Midsize Variant http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct525.aspx
I know Midcountygunshop has been getting some Vector Arms guns, perhaps he can get you just what you want.
Stay with a personal build if it can be done right, a Factory HK, Reputable HK Built weapon, or a VectorWhatever you do dont get a Century HK Clone.
Thankyou for your kind words.
HK33's arent hard if you have the jigs, welder, and press. You have to build heatsinks too because welding the rrunnion into a receiver will cause the trunnion to get too soft or hard, leading to problems in very few rounds (Headspace Changes). You will then have to construct a home park tank or pay someone to park your setup.
Best bet is to get a good Vector .223 clone.
Get this if you dont want to SBR it http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct522.aspx
Get this if you want a SBR, get it on a BATFE Form 1, and then add a collapsible or fixed stock
K Variant http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct889.aspx
Midsize Variant http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct525.aspx
I know Midcountygunshop has been getting some Vector Arms guns, perhaps he can get you just what you want.
Whatever you do dont get a Century HK Clone.
Hmmm decisions decisions. Can you tell me more about the heat sinks? Would pulse welding with my tig help any with the heat disspursment?
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
You would have to fab a heatsink, It would have to fiil the trunnion and chamber. Aluminum would be a good choice.
I perfer to plug the muzzle and fill the bore/trunion with water. Its just risky welding around water. Its hard to say what settings your welder needs to be on without using it myself. It took me ALOT of practice to know what settings to adjust my welder to use on different guns.
Its a fine line when welding these. If you play it too safe the welds wont penetrate enough, too much and you run into changing the heat treatment, or warping parts putting them out of spec.
smores
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Since the thread is drifting... I'm going to be starting doing some HK builds in the next 6 months (hopefully sooner). Taking some welding courses at MC this semester so I can get real damn good. I have experience with oxy/acetylene but very little.
What's the deal with HK and building clones of their stuff, as long as you don't call it an "MP5" or something, they won't sue you? Or if you make a couple a year, they don't care? I know HK is very sue-happy, they all but cornered the Airsoft market for replicas of their stuff a couple years ago, I've always wondered why they never cared about people making their own builds. I guess the best explanation is that they know how to build them 100% right and have been doing it for decades... no one can really compete with their products - if they were available new on the civilian market
And Chad, I agree with you on the LWRC being the only piston AR worth a shit. I've been inside a few piston systems and LWRCs is built very well. Not some crummy retro-fit, they actually redesigned components to make it work well. New BC with wide rear so it won't tilt, operating lug dovetailed, screwed and staked - not just a converted carrier key...
What's the deal with HK and building clones of their stuff, as long as you don't call it an "MP5" or something, they won't sue you? Or if you make a couple a year, they don't care? I know HK is very sue-happy, they all but cornered the Airsoft market for replicas of their stuff a couple years ago, I've always wondered why they never cared about people making their own builds. I guess the best explanation is that they know how to build them 100% right and have been doing it for decades... no one can really compete with their products - if they were available new on the civilian market
And Chad, I agree with you on the LWRC being the only piston AR worth a shit. I've been inside a few piston systems and LWRCs is built very well. Not some crummy retro-fit, they actually redesigned components to make it work well. New BC with wide rear so it won't tilt, operating lug dovetailed, screwed and staked - not just a converted carrier key...
Lex Armarum
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Get a Sig556. Piston driven gun that's different from all the AR fanboys' guns.
Markp
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- Dec 22, 2008
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MIG will put the least heat into the metal for what you are trying to do, while TIG affords very precise puddle control, MIG will allow you to control the heat much more effectively.
Anyone who has MIG and TIG welded thin sheet metal can attest to this.
Mark
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
I love welding, and HK builds are rewarding. They are like crafting a custom 1911, when its done you know you did something.
What's the deal with HK and building clones of their stuff, as long as you don't call it an "MP5" or something, they won't sue you? Or if you make a couple a year, they don't care? I know HK is very sue-happy, they all but cornered the Airsoft market for replicas of their stuff a couple years ago, I've always wondered why they never cared about people making their own builds. I guess the best explanation is that they know how to build them 100% right and have been doing it for decades... no one can really compete with their products - if they were available new on the civilian market
I dont get HK with this either. Thye have pretty much discontinued building (9X, 5X, and 3X series guns, why they care people are buiding clones confuses me.
Agreed, they are setup the way a fine defensive weapon should be, no half-assery in their stuff.
Nice guns indeed. The only reason I dont own one anymore is because my Daewoo DR200 is badass, so I had to part with one or the other. The SIG had to go.
boricuamaximus
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- Dec 27, 2008
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Sig 556 is a good piston gun and user standar ar mags.
boricuamaximus
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clandestine
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Woo's arent common, I can always pick up a SIG. That was my reasoning, nothing wrong with the SIG.
boricuamaximus
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- Dec 27, 2008
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In reality I love my Sig 556. Maybe cause I have dealt with ARs and M14's most of the time but it's a nice gun. lightweight, shoots better than I can ever shoot plus it does not look like it will break any time soon. I might need to get a spare parts kit (if I can find one).
No need to worry about carrier tilt.
Also the proper response would have been to get both. So the smack is well deserved!
No need to worry about carrier tilt.
Also the proper response would have been to get both. So the smack is well deserved!
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