TRO denied in Ventura Gun Store Closure litigation

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  • wolfwood

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 24, 2011
    1,361
    Read it and weep guys.
    The court just ruled against a litigant in Ventura County to try and strike the ban on gun stores during covid.

    This is the first order that deals with a gun store closure since the rest of them have thrown in the towel.


    https://www.scribd.com/document/454...l-v-County-of-Ventura-Gun-Store-Ban-Tro-Order



    Here, Plaintiff argues strict scrutiny applies because his rights under the Second and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution have been violated as a result of the County Order because he has not been provided information concerning his background check or commencement of the 10-day waiting period to retrieve his firearm and cannot travel outside Ventura County to purchase a firearm or ammunition elsewhere, thereby burdening his ability to acquire a handgun. Although the County Order may implicate the Second Amendment by impacting “the ability of law-abiding citizens to possess the ‘quintessential self-defense weapon’ – the handgun,” Fyock, 779 F.3d at 999 (quoting District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 629 (2008), this Court finds that intermediate scrutiny is appropriate because the County Order “is simply not as sweeping as the complete handgun ban at issue in Heller.” Id. The County Order does not specifically target handgun ownership, does not prohibit the ownership of a handgun outright, and is temporary. Therefore, the burden of the County Order on the Second Amendment, if any, is not substantial, so intermediate scrutiny is appropriate. To survive intermediate scrutiny, the County Order must promote a “substantial government interest that would be achieved less effectively absent the regulation.” Id. at 1000. Plaintiff does not dispute that mitigation of the spread of the COVID-19 virus is a compelling interest, but offers no evidence or argument disputing the County’s determination that its mitigation effort would be as effective without closure of non-essential businesses. Therefore, Plaintiff has not demonstrated he is likely to succeed on the merits of his claim.
     

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    Steel Hunter

    Active Member
    Nov 10, 2019
    552
    This is the ninth circus after all. Hopefully it can be appealed successfully.

    From 1999 to 2008, of the 0.151% of Ninth Circuit Court rulings that were reviewed by the Supreme Court, 20% were affirmed, 19% were vacated, and 61% were reversed; the median reversal rate for all federal appellate courts was 68.29% for the same period.[7] From 2010 to 2015, of the cases it accepted to review, the Supreme Court reversed around 79% of the cases from the Ninth Circuit, ranking its reversal rate third among the circuits; the median reversal rate for all federal circuits for the same time period was around 70 percent.[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Ninth_Circuit
     

    jcutonilli

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 28, 2013
    2,474
    Another poorly argued case.

    Plaintiff does not dispute that mitigation of the spread of the COVID-19 virus is a compelling interest, but offers no evidence or argument disputing the County
    ’s determination that its mitigation effort would be as effective without closure of non-essential businesses.Therefore, Plaintiff has not demonstrated he is likely to succeed on the merits of his claim.

    Plaintiff also fails to demonstrate that the requested injunctive relief is in the public interest or that the balance of the equities favors the grant of an injunction.

    He essentially argued that non-essential business should open and undermined his argument by acknowledging that mitigation of the spread of the virus is compelling.

    He should have argued they should have considered gun store an essential business because it addresses a public safety issue, the ability of the public to defend itself. This is the very definition of a public interest.
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,410
    Montgomery County
    Yeah, it would be like arguing that an order closing non-essential businesses that results in his inability to pick up an order of t-shirts with political slogans on them because the t-shirt place is closed ... is a violation of 1A.

    You’d have to construct such a claim a lot more carefully than he appears to have constructed this one.
     

    delaware_export

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 10, 2018
    3,228
    Just as a comparison the exact same case, denial of rights, is being made in other states.

    With almost identical arguments, just on a different issue. Comparing the rulings should be interesting.

    Seems some folks believe that abortion, in non medical emergency cases, is protected and essential. And they’re filing suit where it’s being almost banned.

    Not commenting about my or anyone’s views on abortion, but as a gun person, the arguments are almost always identical. Liberals understand the issue for things they like and hate the same points of logic for things they don’t.
     

    pcfixer

    Ultimate Member
    May 24, 2009
    5,953
    Marylandstan
    Another poorly argued case.



    He essentially argued that non-essential business should open and undermined his argument by acknowledging that mitigation of the spread of the virus is compelling.

    He should have argued they should have considered gun store an essential business because it addresses a public safety issue, the ability of the public to defend itself. This is the very definition of a public interest.

    This and Yes. 100% of We The People do have the ability defend itself.
     

    press1280

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 11, 2010
    7,918
    WV
    I thought I saw a headline that President Trump flipped the 9th.

    I counted 16-13 Dems to GOP nominees for regular service judges, although the 9th frequently has senior and district court judges stand in.
    The big test will be if they en banc another 3 judge panel pro 2a opinion.
     

    adit

    ReMember
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 20, 2013
    19,686
    DE
    California's COVID Gun Store Shutdowns Ruled Illegal

    Two California counties violated the Constitution's right to keep and bear arms when they shut down gun and ammunition stores in 2020 as nonessential businesses during the coronavirus pandemic, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday.

    Officials in Los Angeles and Ventura counties had separately won lower court decisions saying gun stores were not exempt from broader shutdown orders aimed at limiting the spread of the coronavirus early in the pandemic.

    A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals rejected both lower court rulings.

    The Second Amendment "means nothing if the government can prohibit all persons from acquiring any firearm or ammunition," Judge Lawrence VanDyke wrote. "But that's what happened in this case."

    Because buyers can obtain guns only by personally going to gun stores in California, Ventura County's 48-day closure of gun shops, ammunition shops and firing ranges "wholly prevented law-abiding citizens in the County from realizing their right to keep and bear arms," he wrote.

    This, he noted, while bike shops were among those allowed to remain open as essential businesses. The panel adopted the same reasoning in the Los Angeles County case, though the closure there was for 11 days.

    The decision holds that governments "cannot use a crisis to trample on the Constitutional rights of citizens," said Michael Jean, director of the National Rifle Association's Office of Litigation Counsel that sued in the Los Angeles County case. It also sued Alameda, Contra Costa, Santa Clara and San Mateo counties over their restrictions in Northern California, but the last three were dismissed from the lawsuit when they repealed their orders.

    https://www.newsmax.com/us/californ...nstitutional-lockdowns/2022/01/20/id/1053336/
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,410
    Montgomery County
    California's COVID Gun Store Shutdowns Ruled Illegal

    Excellent. Now, I wonder if the two counties involved will drag this kicking and screaming to a full panel on the 9C so it gets to be wrestled with all over again, and then wind up at SCOTUS where the 2A pasta can actually stick to the wall.
     

    delaware_export

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 10, 2018
    3,228
    A question here to the lawyers.

    On the church vs casino rulings with regard to limits and having churches more limited than a casino, iirc, scotus eventually said that the ruling infringed in religious grounds with the more severe limits.

    Being that a right was questioned here, 2a, vs things like bicycle shops and stuff noted in the article, how can the lower courts get away with ignoring the similarities?

    Aside from the fact that the Cali based 9th circus just hates real rights … religious, 2a, and others…

    It seems that once scotus said limiting a church more than other businesses would be the same application of logic as this case. A link for the scotus church ruling..

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/02/...oor-worship-services-to-resume-in-california/

    Be nice. Just a non legal layman trying to understand the legal gymnastics
     

    KingClown

    SOmething Witty
    Jul 29, 2020
    1,185
    Deep Blue MD
    That problem is the damage is done. I wonder how many shops went out of business because of those lockdowns. If just one did thier goal was met. There are no consequences other than they cant do it again. The people that made the decision to shut them down and the people that enforced it dont care. It didnt cost them a cent nor thier jobs nor anything else.

    We need to be able to personally sue the people that make these decisions. Thats the only way it stops. If the county gets sued it wont change things for themn a bit. They will just create a new tax to pay for it.

    PLain and simple when a gov agency is found to violate rights the people involved should be able to be sued personally and there should be consequences for the agency up to shutting it down permanantly. If we could do that we wouldnt have these problems because politicians would actually be afraid to trample our rights like they do now.
     

    Ponder_MD

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 9, 2020
    4,633
    Maryland
    That problem is the damage is done. I wonder how many shops went out of business because of those lockdowns. If just one did thier goal was met. There are no consequences other than they cant do it again. The people that made the decision to shut them down and the people that enforced it dont care. It didnt cost them a cent nor thier jobs nor anything else.

    Yep. They'll kill the 2nd by a thousand papercuts.
     

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