When to Apply for MD Carry Permit

Biggfoot44 said:

Stand by for discussion of " Days " vs " Business Days " vs " Business Days since we started to actually process your application " in 3, 2, 1 ....



To recap from a couple posts above :

91 Days - if no ruling yet from MSP , first day to request OAH Hearing

60 Days - to have OAH Hearing held

90 Days after Hearing for OAH to give results

241 Days Total maximum in theory .


What is remedy if OAH takes more than 60 day to hold hearing , or more than 90 to decide ?

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winch said:

I personally have decided not to wait any longer. I submitted my app 11/17 and it was "accepted" 11/19.
I don't see how a person who is not computer savvy could ever navigate through the online app process lol.

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camo556 said:

question: for a while MDSP was allowing virtual training classes. I did not see an advisory that they stopped accepting them. Did that end with the COVID emergency?

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Mark392001 said:

I’m not sure there were ever virtual classes for the W&C, thought that was just HQL but I could be mistaken. I know as far back as at the beginning of 2021 they were requiring in person, I had to schedule mine out 2 months in advance to get into one.

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The COVID-19 pandemic has altered many processes and procedures associated with group gatherings. In an effort to better serve the citizens of Maryland, and taking into consideration the health and safety of our partner Qualified Handgun Instructors (QHIs) and customers, the Maryland Department of State Police, Licensing Division (MDSPLD), has re-evaluated the classroom instruction requirement for the handgun permit training. Effective immediately, the MDSPLD is approving handgun permit classroom training, via two-way virtual platforms. This change in policy does not alleviate any of the handgun permit training requirements set below.

QHIs electing to participate in virtual handgun permit training will require a real time, bi-directional audio and visual connection between the QHI and the students. Pre-recorded presentations of any form are not acceptable.

Wear and Carry Permit training consists of 16 hours of instruction for an original application and eight hours of instruction for a renewal application. The approved training is offered by a QHI and will include instruction on State firearm law, home firearm safety, handgun mechanisms and operation and a component that requires the applicant to demonstrate gun safety and proficiency, with a minimum score of 70% accuracy.

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Texasgrillchef said:

Well take a look at what’s going in New York and NYC right now. People applying now are still getting denied.
Although what’s interesting is that some are getting a lot more lenient about what they are allowing to show “good” cause. NY and even NYC still expect they will win.

So right now they are still denying apps. They aren’t even delaying them.

What will happen when it gets closer and closer to the time the opinion is issued? Who knows. I think they will still keep denying them.

ONLY those applications submitted that are still in the review process, or appeal process when SCOTUS releases the ruling an opinion will have a chance of getting approved without the G&S requirement.

I suspect the same thing will happen in Maryland, California, Hawaii, Massachusetts, And all the rest of the may issue states. Those with apps submitted and pending, in the review process, or in the appeal process, or those submitted AFTER the opinion is released will get approved and issued.

Which now makes me wonder about our territories. Will this ruling apply to them? PR is allready issuing permits now, and is otherwise shall issue, plus they recognize every states permit. Not the same with Guam, or the other territories.

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press1280 said:

I think everyone applying around that time should put in NYSRPA v Bruen. That way they can't say "We were just doing our regular process and weren't thinking about that." They should at a minimum hold all applications that would be denied save for the good cause portion, and wait for the opinion and guidance from their attorneys.

The territories would also be bound by this opinion. They may try to fight under the legal theory that the 2A didn't cover this when they became a territory, but it won't work. It did take a while for them to finally acknowledge Heller though, seems like finding plaintiffs and counsel are more difficult for whatever reason.

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XJ.Cherokee said:

Would a denial be held against you for the lack of G&S?

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XJ.Cherokee said:

Would a denial be held against you for the lack of G&S?

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Mark392001 said:

If you mean when you reapply then no, they do not “hold it against you”. I was denied once before approval due to G&S not meeting the requirements. Under the current system all that mattered was the G&S present under current practice.

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adit said:

It could matter when applying for non-resident permits. Some of them ask if you have been denied a permit in any other state.

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Mark392001 said:

It was on both my PA and Maine permit forms, answered truthfully about prior denial and both were issued without questioning it.

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adit said:

It could matter when applying for non-resident permits. Some of them ask if you have been denied a permit in any other state.

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Mark392001 said:

It was on both my PA and Maine permit forms, answered truthfully about prior denial and both were issued without questioning it.

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XJ.Cherokee said:

That's very reassuring. Honestly, that's been my biggest holdup on applying, the thought that it would come back to bite me in the tailpipe down the road. Either on a CCW application or security clearance.

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