223 effective range under 100yards??

BradMacc82 · Aug 13, 2018

3paul10 said:
Please dont tell any of my Marine friends that....they were never told that, and shoot out to like 600 yards....theyll be pissed.

Just bring a pack of Crayons, they'll get over it.

Alea Jacta Est · Aug 13, 2018

Two questions:

Did he have a red tip on his AR or a white cane?

Where did he park his seeing eye dog? (They hate gunfire.)

davsco · Aug 13, 2018

hmmm. at least a fair amount of shooters at the 200-700 yd gas gun match i did this past weekend were using ar-15's in 223...

Park ranger · Aug 13, 2018

I'll have to tell the Army Marksmenship Unit that the 400 out of 400 fired in the Presidents match at Camp Perry this year wasn't really 600 yards. And that x ring isn't really 6", .

Lucca1 · Aug 13, 2018

8" grouping at 50 yards with a scope? Was he wearing these?

rbird7282 · Aug 13, 2018

Moorvogi said:
I was at the range the other day getting ready to shoot. I asked the guy if he was able to get his ar15 (in 223) on target. He was shooting off a lead slead with a scope at a 12 inch target posted at 50 yards.

He had a nice 8 inch group and called it good because "ar15s in 223 are really only good out to about 75 yards anyway". He also mentioned that once the scope zero is set, you never change the knobs on a scope.

i didn't know that!

I now believe in <insert religious name here> because there's no way i should have been able to hit groundhogs at 200+ yards with an ar15 in 223 using iron sites and a sling!

now for the REAL question... do you think he actually believes that?? I didn't, until he pulled out his 300 ultra magnum and was done calling it "good enough" with an 8 inch group at 100 yards (off a bench-rest and using a scope).

Somebody who's that stupid shouldn't own a gun. :facepalm:

Tungsten · Aug 13, 2018

I bet it was Borat trying to trick you into saying something stupid.

teratos · Aug 13, 2018

16 MOA. That’s pretty good! Was he shooting .223 out of a 300 BLK barrel?

ezracer · Aug 13, 2018

.223 effective range under 100yrds?

HEREYAGO. Not too shabby for a 73 yrs.old Geezer with a NC Star Scope from a bi-pod.
( what??)

BradMacc82 · Aug 13, 2018

30 yards, no irons or optics. Function testing in the back yard, put a target out for shits & giggles.

16" frankenstein build, with Wolf 55gr fmj.

smokey · Aug 13, 2018

BradMacc82 said:
30 yards, no irons or optics. Function testing in the back yard, put a target out for shits & giggles.

16" frankenstein build, with Wolf 55gr fmj.

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Cheap AE varmint ammo through my Delton upper.

BradMacc82 · Aug 13, 2018

That's not bad. Irons?

I just looked down the rail and hoped to hit somewhere on the paper...

Major03 · Aug 13, 2018

BradMacc82 said:
That's not bad. Irons?

I just looked down the rail and hoped to hit somewhere on the paper...

Walking Dead style lol

jcutonilli · Aug 13, 2018

Moorvogi said:
I was at the range the other day getting ready to shoot. I asked the guy if he was able to get his ar15 (in 223) on target. He was shooting off a lead slead with a scope at a 12 inch target posted at 50 yards.

He had a nice 8 inch group and called it good because "ar15s in 223 are really only good out to about 75 yards anyway". He also mentioned that once the scope zero is set, you never change the knobs on a scope.

i didn't know that!

I now believe in <insert religious name here> because there's no way i should have been able to hit groundhogs at 200+ yards with an ar15 in 223 using iron sites and a sling!

now for the REAL question... do you think he actually believes that?? I didn't, until he pulled out his 300 ultra magnum and was done calling it "good enough" with an 8 inch group at 100 yards (off a bench-rest and using a scope).

The real question is what is meant by good. While it is more than adequate for groundhogs and poking holes in paper, I believe it would not be a very good choice for elephants and other dangerous game. Given that he has a 300 ultra mag, I suspect his definition is slanted toward the later. Given his accuracy, smaller cartridges would definitely not be a good choice.

Barrel length also plays a factor. One of the things that makes this round more effective is that it is able to fragment. The round tends to not fragment reliably below 2500 fps. Barrel lengths below 10 in generally don't have muzzle velocities above this, limiting the effectiveness of the round. Paper does not need the round to fragment.

I will also say that he is sort of correct about not needing to adjust the scope. A 223 within 75 yards does not really need the scope to be adjusted (especially if all you need is to be withing 8 in).

Blacksmith101 · Aug 14, 2018

CrabcakesAndFootball said:
I'm not as crazy as that guy from the range, but I am not embarrassed to admit as a beginner that I called it a day at 25 yards zeroing an optic this weekend because even at 50 I could not tell if I was shooting in the same place on the target. The fact that some of you guys pick off grounds hogs at 200 plus with irons is incredible to me. Hopefully one day I will get half as good.

Practice, practice, practice.

I coach kids, age 10 to 20, shooting three position air rifle which is iron sights (aperture type) shot at ten meters (33 feet) the ten ring on the air rifle target is literally the size of the period at the end of this sentence. They learn to hit it regularly.

You too can learn.
Try to find a coach who can make sure you are not creating bad habits.
Learn all you can, here is a good starting resource, everything from BB gun to Military Rifle Competition, just start reading:
http://thecmp.org/training-tech/coaching-resources/
Then "Practice, practice, practice."

J Beard · Aug 14, 2018

Blacksmith101
Where do you coach?
I coach Calvert HS NJROTC, might run into you at a match.
Yeah the ten is only a 0.5mm dot and I'm sure my cadets could get better than an 8" group with their air rifles at 50 yrds. :lol2:

GUNSnROTORS · Aug 14, 2018

Travis Haley weeps.

Long range kill shots said to be 650 - 800m:
Bushmaster 20" standard Govt profile 1/7
ARMS 59 SIR
ARMS 22 med rings
ARMS 40 BUIS
Leupold Mk4 3x9x40 ill mill dot
Harris bi pod
PAQ-2 IR Laser

Mack C-85 · Aug 14, 2018

Wow, 8" @ 50 Yards???

I guess I'm a better instructor than I give myself credit for.......

Take 11 Boy Scouts, most of whom had never touched a rifle, and with 5 assistants (other adult scouters who shoot, including my better half) and have 10 of them earn thier Rifle Shooting Merit Badge in one day at the range.

The badge requires them to shoot multiple, three shot, quarter sized groups, and multiple five shot groups for score at 50'. The five shot groups had to quarter sized to make the score.

I have no doubt, any of one of them would be able to shoot much tighter than 8" @ 50 yds.

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JohnnyE · Aug 15, 2018

Is this the guy?

Indiana Jones · Aug 15, 2018

Moorvogi said:
I was at the range the other day getting ready to shoot. I asked the guy if he was able to get his ar15 (in 223) on target. He was shooting off a lead slead with a scope at a 12 inch target posted at 50 yards.

He had a nice 8 inch group and called it good because "ar15s in 223 are really only good out to about 75 yards anyway". He also mentioned that once the scope zero is set, you never change the knobs on a scope.

i didn't know that!

I now believe in <insert religious name here> because there's no way i should have been able to hit groundhogs at 200+ yards with an ar15 in 223 using iron sites and a sling!

now for the REAL question... do you think he actually believes that?? I didn't, until he pulled out his 300 ultra magnum and was done calling it "good enough" with an 8 inch group at 100 yards (off a bench-rest and using a scope).

Yes I do believe he is sincere. There are some ASTOUNDINGLY dumb people in this world and they get into all kinds of hobbies. You just happened to run into one.

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