Wolfshaker
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I've got my next purchase narrowed down to a H&K USP tactical or a sig p226 elite dark. Any recommendations? And why?
H&K USP Tactical or Sig p226 elite dark?
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BeltBuckle
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Both have excellent reps, so many folks will tell you to go with whichever feels best for you. I've got a Sig P226 and love it, for reasons I am sure Maui and others will expand on. Wanted an HK USP for a long time and recently fondled one at a gunshop, but found to my dismay that the ergonomics did not suit my grip. The HK P30/3000 felt much better so I am refocussing in that direction, but still doing homework. YMMV.
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Get Opp my rawn, Plick!
Most reasonable people want one of each. IMHO, both guns are tied for being the best pistols out there.
I would go with an HK if you like the 1911 style cocked and locked carry. Dont mind buying an adapter for accessories and pay an arm / leg for magazines. HKs, a little overpriced but that goes with any HK product. Extremely reliable as a suppressor host, out of the box, will cycle suppressed with a variety of ammo without changing out springs. Taller adjustable sights will clear most cans and POI is adjustable for POI changes when suppressed or changing out loads. This is my personal choice for a suppressor host only because of the reliability factor/ sight adjustability factor..
SIG if you like a quality trigger in both SA and double action mode. A bit heavier than the HK, Fixed sights, most will not clear newer cans and may require spring changes to tune with different ammo when suppressed. Also a bit more expensive than HKs.
For suppressed use. HKs are reliable out of the box, Sigs may require tuning .. but are quieter due to its mechanical design. Both are very accurate reliable shooters and getting either one is a good choice.
after all that... I would say, get what makes you smile the most.
I would go with an HK if you like the 1911 style cocked and locked carry. Dont mind buying an adapter for accessories and pay an arm / leg for magazines. HKs, a little overpriced but that goes with any HK product. Extremely reliable as a suppressor host, out of the box, will cycle suppressed with a variety of ammo without changing out springs. Taller adjustable sights will clear most cans and POI is adjustable for POI changes when suppressed or changing out loads. This is my personal choice for a suppressor host only because of the reliability factor/ sight adjustability factor..
SIG if you like a quality trigger in both SA and double action mode. A bit heavier than the HK, Fixed sights, most will not clear newer cans and may require spring changes to tune with different ammo when suppressed. Also a bit more expensive than HKs.
For suppressed use. HKs are reliable out of the box, Sigs may require tuning .. but are quieter due to its mechanical design. Both are very accurate reliable shooters and getting either one is a good choice.
after all that... I would say, get what makes you smile the most.
TheBlackRifle23
Member
I have a similar dilema. I am between the H&K45C and the S&W45C. I might be leaning towards the S&W.
Ok thats not even right . I'm not answering that.
Normally I would go into a lengthy technical response about how the HK is better, but then Maui would come on and we would go back and forth for an hour. So how about this, nice and simple. I love the HK tactical. The Sig is nice and pretty, feels good, looks good etc. The HK looks like a brick, feels like a brick and you can bash it with a brick and it will still work. Are you looking for a 45 or a SD 9? I think that would change the complexion of this comparison quite a bit. Both are very different guns and would compare differently to the Sig. More importantly, do you plan on using a suppressor or do you just like the pistol? If you are going for a can I would definitely lean toward the USP, if not I would probably consider a P30 or HK45 as the ergonomics are damn near perfect. Fact is they are both very nice pistols but I lean heavily toward the HK. Maui, your turn
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olzkool,
We all know that HK USPs are better than Sigs. We can't tell Maui that because he won't be able to handle the truth. His Sig-ness has clouded his mind. One day, he will recover and buy a USP.
We all know that HK USPs are better than Sigs. We can't tell Maui that because he won't be able to handle the truth. His Sig-ness has clouded his mind. One day, he will recover and buy a USP.
MauiWowie
I have the SIGness...
olzkool,
We all know that HK USPs are better than Sigs. We can't tell Maui that because he won't be able to handle the truth. His Sig-ness has clouded his mind. One day, he will recover and buy a USP.
I thought I heard someone say my name!!!
HK's are for losers
I'm biased b/c I am infected with "the virus"
You are more than welcome to shoot my 226 elite here is some ELITE PORN!!
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Get Opp my rawn, Plick!
Maui,
The barrel of the USP is cold-hammer forged from high-grade chromium steel, the same type of steel used in cannon barrels. During testing, a bullet was deliberately lodged in a USP barrel. Another cartridge was then fired into the obstructing bullet. The second bullet cleared the barrel, resulting in a barely noticeable bulge. The pistol was then fired for accuracy and the resulting group measured less than 2.5 inches at 25 meters.
Can a SIG survive that or does it get reclassified as a destructive device?
Other less destructive tests reveal much about USP reliability and durability. Function testing a wide selection of ammunition types, one test gun fired more than 10,000 rounds without a single malfunction. That means no stove-pipes, no failures to feed o r eject; no jams! Endurance firings of test samples has passed 20,000 rounds of high performance .40 S&W ammo without any parts failures. Sever temperature tests required the USP to be frozen at -44 degrees F (-42 degrees C) and then fired, frozen again a nd quickly heated to 153 degrees F (67 degrees C), and then fired again. These temperature spectrum tests were continually repeated, and with no adverse effects on the USP
Just messin with you man.... We miss the SIG Porn Updates.
The barrel of the USP is cold-hammer forged from high-grade chromium steel, the same type of steel used in cannon barrels. During testing, a bullet was deliberately lodged in a USP barrel. Another cartridge was then fired into the obstructing bullet. The second bullet cleared the barrel, resulting in a barely noticeable bulge. The pistol was then fired for accuracy and the resulting group measured less than 2.5 inches at 25 meters.
Can a SIG survive that or does it get reclassified as a destructive device?
Other less destructive tests reveal much about USP reliability and durability. Function testing a wide selection of ammunition types, one test gun fired more than 10,000 rounds without a single malfunction. That means no stove-pipes, no failures to feed o r eject; no jams! Endurance firings of test samples has passed 20,000 rounds of high performance .40 S&W ammo without any parts failures. Sever temperature tests required the USP to be frozen at -44 degrees F (-42 degrees C) and then fired, frozen again a nd quickly heated to 153 degrees F (67 degrees C), and then fired again. These temperature spectrum tests were continually repeated, and with no adverse effects on the USP
Just messin with you man.... We miss the SIG Porn Updates.
poor guy, he really is sickI was going to go there and get all technical but he is sick and the doc said no Sig/HK confrontations
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The Bore axis on SIGs are too frigin high. The laws of physics simply dictate that they suck. You can't argue with me... its the law.
However, I likes the Shiny Sigs.
OK... Ceasefire... No more SIG/HK debates.
However, I likes the Shiny Sigs.
OK... Ceasefire... No more SIG/HK debates.
MauiWowie
I have the SIGness...
It's just something about the SIG I love....
In all honesty I've been looking at the HK's in 45.....
just looking though...
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Witness the end of your inSIGnificant rebellion. Join us in the Dark side of the Force. Buy an HK
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4MDGunRights
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The USP Tactical is available in 9mm Parabellum, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP, and incorporates a fully adjustable rear sight, a higher-profile front sight (as to be visible above a suppressor), an extended threaded barrel and O-ring, a match grade trigger, and an adjustable trigger stop. This is truly a high performance suppressable pistol which can't be compared apples to apples with the P226. The cost also sets the two way apart. Before asking which one should you choose, you should ask yourself what you are looking for in a pistol. I wanted and got a USP Tactical 45, and I love it.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
The HK USP Tactical is one of the finest handguns ever made when you use Accuracy and Reliability as a standard.
The only thing the SIG has over the HK is a smaller grip, but the SIG .45 is a lower capacity model too.
There is also no other handgun that will work as flawlessly with a Can attached.
SIG's Q.C. has taken a serious dumparoo in the past 5 years too.
We have NEVER had to repair a HK at the shop. We see several SIG's a year for reliability issues. That says alot.
We do work on HK's but for AMbi Safety Installs, Sight Installs, Trigger Jobs, ect....
The only thing the SIG has over the HK is a smaller grip, but the SIG .45 is a lower capacity model too.
There is also no other handgun that will work as flawlessly with a Can attached.
SIG's Q.C. has taken a serious dumparoo in the past 5 years too.
We have NEVER had to repair a HK at the shop. We see several SIG's a year for reliability issues. That says alot.
We do work on HK's but for AMbi Safety Installs, Sight Installs, Trigger Jobs, ect....
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