HB1629 - Office of the Attorney General - Firearm Crime - Study

Batt816 · Feb 21, 2020

teratos said:
So it seems it may be more cost effective to buy a stolen gun than to do a P80 build. That’s what I was curious about. Thanks for the answer!

Should we have a stolen gun section in the classifieds? :lol2:

Kicken Wing · Feb 22, 2020

teratos said:
So it seems it may be more cost effective to buy a stolen gun than to do a P80 build. That’s what I was curious about. Thanks for the answer!

I thought that was your angle with that question. That is how I see it too. Why would a criminal build an 80 percent, pay someone to build a new 80 percent or buy a new 80 percent from someone when you can buy a stolen one for a fraction of the cost? The MGA needs to STAY OFF OF MY LAWN!

Bob A · Feb 22, 2020

teratos said:
So it seems it may be more cost effective to buy a stolen gun than to do a P80 build. That’s what I was curious about. Thanks for the answer!

davsco said:
well except for the possibly whole going to jail part...

Except identifying unidentifiable guns as stolen might be part of the point of the 80% thing?

This is Maryland. We're all going to jail eventually, or re-education camps. Personally, I'm waiting for MoCo to declare itself a sanctuary for Wuhan refugees.

StantonCree · Feb 27, 2020

At least two more recovered last week and i know 2 were recovered last night

Boats · Feb 27, 2020

EDA98 said:
A study? Like the one Obama started then shut down after he didn’t like the results?

Or this recent Hopkins one where the results weren't what they were expecting so they instantly discredited how the information was obtained. (gotta keep that Bloomberg money train rolling)

https://www.nraila.org/articles/202...nce-assault-weapon-bans-reduce-mass-shootings

PowPow · Feb 27, 2020

Updated the OP with the cross-file SB1047 and the hearing schedules for each.

Steel Hunter · Feb 27, 2020

Bob A said:
I'm waiting for MoCo to declare itself a sanctuary for Wuhan refugees.

Ah... good old natural selection at work. That Darwin guy was really on to something. :party29:

Aside from the total waste of tax payer dollars, I would be interested to see study results and how many ways they can twist facts.

StantonCree · Feb 28, 2020

Here’s some of the answers to the questions i had been pondering

So about 6% of last years firearm recoveries were 80% guns. That’s a lot more significant then i was expecting!

Stoveman · Feb 28, 2020

StantonCree said:
Here’s some of the answers to the questions i had been pondering

So about 15% of last years firearm recoveries were 80% guns. That’s a lot more significant then i was expecting!

So DC wants to make carrying a ghost gun more illegaler? It's already verboten to possess an unregistered fiream and one can't legally carry without a DC permit.

More feel good BS legislation.

StantonCree · Feb 28, 2020

Damnit my poor math keeps getting quoted lol. I thought o corrected this one before it was quoted lol

lazarus · Feb 28, 2020

Stoveman said:
So DC wants to make carrying a ghost gun more illegaler? It's already verboten to possess an unregistered fiream and one can't legally carry without a DC permit.

More feel good BS legislation.

That’s one of those things that’s always gotten me about this BS for Maryland.

In the VAST majority of cases where police might find a “ghost gun” on a person, they can likely hit them up for carry/transportation violations since many/most are handguns.

When it comes down to it, if there is even a bit of a question, in most cases police are in a position where they can pull a criminal history in the field even if it won’t reveal things like mental health holds/history and such forth. If they wanted to do their darned work, they could do further research later.

But the point is, in most cases they could figure out if the person is likely prohibited or not. If they are, a ghost gun or non-ghost gun, prohibited means you have them on a weapons charge. If they aren’t, it does not f-ing matter.

I get that making it easier for criminals to get a gun is a problem. But I’d consider the genie out of the bottle on this one. I don’t know how many 80s are out there, but I’d safely assume it is at least in the millions and I’d bet most of the ones being recovered are not the criminals themselves buying an 80, machining it and buying the components to make one. I’d bet anything most are coming from some enterprising individuals/groups who are making the guns to keep traceability back to them harder.

I’d further bet a state ban isn’t going to slow or effect that munch at all.

hodgepodge · Feb 29, 2020

1. Guns are bad.
2. We need more laws.

I've just saved the state of Maryland $2M. You're welcome.

teratos · Feb 29, 2020

davsco said:
well except for the possibly whole going to jail part...

We’re talking criminals, here.

StantonCree said:
So about 6% of last years firearm recoveries were 80% guns. That’s a lot more significant then i was expecting!

Wow! I’m surprised by that, too.

KJackson · Feb 29, 2020

Noticed the part in there where it spoke about trying to allow victims of "ghost gun" (gosh I hate that term) crimes to sue the maker. Yeah, that will go over real well.

PowPow · Feb 29, 2020

KJackson said:
"ghost gun" (gosh I hate that term)

==> Modern Hobby Gun

lazarus · Feb 29, 2020

KJackson said:
Noticed the part in there where it spoke about trying to hi allow victims of "ghost gun" (gosh I hate that term) crimes to sue the maker. Yeah, that will go over real well.

My guess is either they think that allows people to sue the maker of the P80, or maybe they think the manufacturer who did the final machining. Especially in case it wasn’t the person who used it in the violent crime.

Not_an_outlaw · Feb 29, 2020

I have a question. Does the "ghost gun" numbers reflect only home made firearms, or does it include firearms with filed off serial numbers?

StantonCree · Feb 29, 2020

Not_an_outlaw said:
I have a question. Does the "ghost gun" numbers reflect only home made firearms, or does it include firearms with filed off serial numbers?

I don’t fully have an answer to that but based off what I’ve seen i would 100% say it’s only P80s and 80% ARs.

Serial numbers are filed off but you can still identify make/model on guns. Those gun recoveries are always listed as “Recovered was a XXXXXX model XXXXX”

P80s are listed as “Recovered was a P80 ghost gun”

Based on how it’s listed daily is bet my paycheck they did it correctly instead of trying to juice these stats.

Bertfish · Feb 29, 2020

Not_an_outlaw said:
I have a question. Does the "ghost gun" numbers reflect only home made firearms, or does it include firearms with filed off serial numbers?

This was going to be my question as well

Inventive criminals in DC apparently.

PowPow · Mar 12, 2020

Looks like Del. Clippinger's HB1629 will pass Third Reader today and go over to the House. The cross-file SB1047 has its hearing today at 1pm in JPR.

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