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  • KGB-SPY

    Member
    Sep 30, 2013
    77
    Pikesville, MD
    Sunday (tomorrow) at midnight Amazon will be shutting off all of our servers in an attempt to completely remove free speech off the internet. There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch. We prepared for events like this by never relying on amazons proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products.

    We will try our best to move to a new provider right now as we have many competing for our business, however Amazon, Google and Apple purposefully did this as a coordinated effort knowing our options would be limited and knowing this would inflict the most damage right as President Trump was banned from the tech companies.

    This was a coordinated attack by the tech giants to kill competition in the market place. We were too successful too fast. You can expect the war on competition and free speech to continue, but don’t count us out.

    #speakfreely
    https://parler.com/post/009ba435b68c46d4955e1cd7737fa27c
     

    babalou

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 12, 2013
    16,142
    Glenelg
    good luck

    Sunday (tomorrow) at midnight Amazon will be shutting off all of our servers in an attempt to completely remove free speech off the internet. There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch. We prepared for events like this by never relying on amazons proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products.

    We will try our best to move to a new provider right now as we have many competing for our business, however Amazon, Google and Apple purposefully did this as a coordinated effort knowing our options would be limited and knowing this would inflict the most damage right as President Trump was banned from the tech companies.

    This was a coordinated attack by the tech giants to kill competition in the market place. We were too successful too fast. You can expect the war on competition and free speech to continue, but don’t count us out.

    #speakfreely
    https://parler.com/post/009ba435b68c46d4955e1cd7737fa27c

    Hopefully they have some sort of Zerto replication or Commvault or something. Sick of this crap. All part of the plan... Like a dealer. get people addicted and then throw your power around the addicts for control..
     

    Chat-Bot

    Disinformation Governor
    Oct 17, 2020
    4,651
    под скалой
    Sunday (tomorrow) at midnight Amazon will be shutting off all of our servers in an attempt to completely remove free speech off the internet. There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch. We prepared for events like this by never relying on amazons proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products.

    We will try our best to move to a new provider right now as we have many competing for our business, however Amazon, Google and Apple purposefully did this as a coordinated effort knowing our options would be limited and knowing this would inflict the most damage right as President Trump was banned from the tech companies.

    This was a coordinated attack by the tech giants to kill competition in the market place. We were too successful too fast. You can expect the war on competition and free speech to continue, but don’t count us out.

    #speakfreely
    https://parler.com/post/009ba435b68c46d4955e1cd7737fa27c

    The rush to the cloud for control as needed.

    Friends should let friends build real data centers.
     

    lazarus

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 23, 2015
    13,726
    Actually there Are relevant portions of the Federal Communications Act . Someone else will hopefully chime in with the actual cites .

    But the simple version is whether such endeavors purport to be Publishers or Public Utilities . Think Newspaper vs old school phone company .

    If they're Publishers , they have not only the ability , but the obligation to edit and fact check everything " published " on their whatever , and are legally liable for it .

    If they are public utilities, and have no liability for anything that passes thru or upon their ( whatever ) . AND exempt from Anti- Trust laws .

    The social media platforms are trying to play both ways while complying with neither .

    Want to remain without liability , and Anti Trust exempt , they can't exercise editorial control .

    If they want to exercise editorial control they can do so . While complying with Anti Trust , And totally being responsible for content .

    That’s actually not true. Section 230 of the communication decency act still applies. Which exempt them from liability for what users post, even if they exert editorial control.

    HOWEVER, if they are made aware of or become aware of content that is not allowed. For example, copyrighted material that isn’t posted by the owner, child porn, calls for violence, Defamatory content (there generally a court has ruled it is, not someone says it is). If the host does not take action to remove it, then their liability is null and void.

    Parler was both not moderating content, but they WERE being made aware of calls for violence and were not taking that down when they were made aware. Amazon, Apple and Google all pointed to examples where Parler was made aware and didn’t do anything. Not that it wasn’t timely, never took action at all on removing stuff.

    So they went “Nope. Bye”.

    Was it an excuse for them after Wednesday? Maybe, probably. But they sure as heck didn’t want to catch any liability as they did their part to pass on to Parler that they were hosting violent content and Parler was effectively refusing to do anything about it. So Amazon (through AWS hosting) at a minimum could be liable under the communications decent act. So they pulled the plug.
     

    Chat-Bot

    Disinformation Governor
    Oct 17, 2020
    4,651
    под скалой
    Not the U.S.A but...

    There was a twitter response on how governments shouldn't do this but too hungry to continue.


    https://twitter.com/GovUganda/status/1349060384490213377

    Facebook has taken down hundreds of political accounts in Uganda days ahead of a tense election
    https://qz.com/africa/1955331/facebook-takes-down-pro-museveni-accounts-as-election-nears/

    Uganda bans social media ahead of presidential election
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-ahead-of-presidential-election-idUSKBN29H0KH

    Social media and messaging platforms restricted in Uganda ahead of general election
    https://netblocks.org/reports/socia...-in-uganda-ahead-of-general-election-XB7aaO87
     

    rascal

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 15, 2013
    1,253
    Exactly. This has nothing to do with the first amendment. Nobody here would give a shit if facebook shit down some BLM page.
    What is with your slurs? Your lack of understanding of the First Amendment is on thing (because the answer is that it depends). But probably most people here would object to BLM being taken down, even though BLM's core narrative is empirically and objectively false.

    You seem like a bigoted person (and you have very similar diction to a recent troll who was banned).
     

    Afrikeber

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 14, 2013
    6,729
    Urbana, Md.
    1A was always determined to be a constitutional right to an extent and the example has always been “you can speak freely but you just cannot yell fire in a theater”. I certainly do not agree with shutting down free speech venues even if I do not agree with some so definitely concerned with this. SCOTUS will have some long reaching decisions to make and I hope packing their court is not the current plan. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
     

    OneGunTex

    Escaped Member
    Jan 12, 2021
    237
    Southern Maryland, no longer
    WSJ had a pretty good justification for how/why social media (and ISPs) shouldn't be able to just cancel dissenting voices off the internet, by a guy who's smarter than me:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-co...censorship-11610732343?mod=opinion_lead_pos10

    He tackles what has already been discussed in this thread about publisher vs public forum, and adds some to it. I know WSJ is behind a paywall so here's some relevant quotes:

    “The question of media control,” Mr. Epstein says, “can only be understood by going back to the historical regulation of common carriers and public utilities.” Hale didn’t use the word “monopoly,” but instead wrote of a party “affected with the public interest,” such as a harbor with only one landing space. Its owners, he argued, had a duty to serve on terms that were fair, reasonable and nondiscriminatory. “They couldn’t just charge what the market could bear, but had to face that constraint.” This notion of “rate regulation,” Mr. Epstein says, was incorporated into American law in 1876, when the Supreme Court decided in Munn v. Illinois that the state had the authority to regulate a grain warehouse’s prices.
    .............
    Unlike harbors, warehouses and railroads, social-media monopolies don’t raise an issue of rates. Their content is free. “But the nondiscrimination side of the formula is still with us,” Mr. Epstein says, “and it is that duty that’s at issue today with Trump and Twitter. And if the monopoly constraint applies, then it is not a defense to say that these companies are privately owned.”
     

    Ponder_MD

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 9, 2020
    4,620
    Maryland
    “But the nondiscrimination side of the formula is still with us,” Mr. Epstein says,

    That's the crux of it for me. It's not the deplatforming of violent conservatives that bothers me, it's the fact that these companies WON'T deplatform violent Progressives. Once you get discriminatory, the wheels fall off the argument that they're private companies and can do whatever they like.

    These companies violate their on TOS every time the Ayatollah tweets.
     

    OneGunTex

    Escaped Member
    Jan 12, 2021
    237
    Southern Maryland, no longer
    That's the crux of it for me. It's not the deplatforming of violent conservatives that bothers me, it's the fact that these companies WON'T deplatform violent Progressives. Once you get discriminatory, the wheels fall off the argument that they're private companies and can do whatever they like.

    These companies violate their on TOS every time the Ayatollah tweets.

    Absolutely. And at the same time just because they write up terms of service that you sign doesn't necessarily mean they are operating in a legal manner. E.g. how you sign "liability waivers" that include "gross negligence" and never hold up in court.

    What bothers me even more is, not if any given social media platform is a public forum, but is The Internet a public forum? Given that the hardware that undergirds the technology is privately owned and, as Amazon Comcast and China have proven, *can be turned off*
     

    chujohn

    Member
    Dec 2, 2019
    76
    Northern Virginia
    We have SlingTV and watching news from Latin America and Spain. They thought it was dangerous to cancel Trump and dissenting viewpoints and how Google, Twitter, Facebook, and etc have become so powerful. it's really sad state of affairs when I get better and unbalanced new from foreign news sources.
     

    mpollan1

    Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 26, 2012
    6,733
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    We have SlingTV and watching news from Latin America and Spain. They thought it was dangerous to cancel Trump and dissenting viewpoints and how Google, Twitter, Facebook, and etc have become so powerful. it's really sad state of affairs when I get better and unbalanced new from foreign news sources.

    They know the dangers because they have lived/live the dangers. History man, learn from it or not. Does not have to be your history. There is not one single socialist entity that thrived and survived yet the libturds embrace the "ideal" Sigh...
     

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