Good point. There approximately 18k police depts in the US so s&w has less than 2% of them covered...
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Good point. There approximately 18k police depts in the US so s&w has less than 2% of them covered...
I agree.
dist1646
Ultimate Member
They need to stop having those darned conventions that place limits on what is acceptable to use in war. The primary object of war should be to WIN!
Long1MD
Ultimate Member
M&P may be "popular" according to the article, but I never like mine and certainly never viewed as "crawl in the dirt reliable". Good riddance. Way better choices out there.
I've always had S&Ws, always liked them. Still have them, still like them.
Guess I like crappy triggers.......
TD
Guess I like crappy triggers.......
TD
Maybe S&W should partner with Apex to offer a complete firearm. Advanced trigger and night sights. I've shot several thousand rounds though my M&P 9 with the only malfunction being a squib round from crappy Tula ammo.
Being an M&P person, I have to say the simplicity of Glock is alluring to agencies. If glock had a slightly better reputation for fit I would be a fanboy. I am not real thrilled with the mating of the mag floorplate to the pistol grip of my 19.
Being an M&P person, I have to say the simplicity of Glock is alluring to agencies. If glock had a slightly better reputation for fit I would be a fanboy. I am not real thrilled with the mating of the mag floorplate to the pistol grip of my 19.
Long1MD
Ultimate Member
Most people I know that bought a Smith also had to buy a new trigger or pay a gunsmith to do it for them. Just never saw the need to pay the same or (in most cases) more for a firearm that still needed attention. Just MHO on the matter. I own several different brands and I can honestly say that I think for what they are, Smiths are overpriced.
That gap at the bottom of the grips on Glocks is there to be able to rip the magazine out on a Type 2 or 3 malfunction. Glocks are built for combat and duty use not to look pretty and sell magazines.
I can understand that, but reloading a new mag pinches my bottom of my hand. Same can be accomplished by relieving the grip or a portion of the floorplate.
When in doubt, pinkie out.
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Sooo...
The Europeans make the best guns, but aren't allowed to own them. The U.S. is awash in guns, but doesn't know how to make them and needs to buy them from Europeans who aren't allowed to own them. The U.S. protects Europe and the free world, using guns made in countries that don't, or can't protect themselves, but make all the guns. Europe wants to disarm the world, but only succeeds in disarming itself, while making guns used to protect it by the U.S. that's awash in guns but doesn't know how to make them.
I'm confoosed. I'm sure that globalization, the EU, Soros, and NATO fit in somewhere.
The Europeans make the best guns, but aren't allowed to own them. The U.S. is awash in guns, but doesn't know how to make them and needs to buy them from Europeans who aren't allowed to own them. The U.S. protects Europe and the free world, using guns made in countries that don't, or can't protect themselves, but make all the guns. Europe wants to disarm the world, but only succeeds in disarming itself, while making guns used to protect it by the U.S. that's awash in guns but doesn't know how to make them.
I'm confoosed. I'm sure that globalization, the EU, Soros, and NATO fit in somewhere.
redeemed.man
Ultimate Member
And Glock has more than half the LE market and growing...
kgain673
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That's for more reasons then just the obvious ones too. Glock basically gives their guns away for free to large agencies. Then they have probably the largest armorer program. Mix that with a super reliable gun with easy to maintain parts that'l are basically dummy proof. That why glock rules the LE world.
redeemed.man
Ultimate Member
Agreed but what is likely the strongest factor among those you mentioned is rock solid reliability. Agencies wouldn't choose it no matter how cheap it was if they couldn't bet their lives on it.
Lots of manufacturers have an exchange program where they take the current service firearms from the agency and provide them their product. This isn't just Glock.
F***meI'mmovingtoMD
Member
If they are sticking with 9mm just keep the m9... its a reliable platform with decent mags. also, as much as people bemoan the slide mounter decocker, it's a safe mechanism for training many people, especially since a lot of those carrying sidearms are not in primary combat roles
Now if they move to 45 like they should... honestly there are tons of choices but the M&P doesn't seem to do much of anything better than the competition
Now if they move to 45 like they should... honestly there are tons of choices but the M&P doesn't seem to do much of anything better than the competition
d33rhunt3r
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I just figured S&W "lost" the contract just like carbine contest was "won"
Soo...is there any explanation as to why they are out? 
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