Deer head problems

Archeryrob · Feb 5, 2020

So this morning I let the chickens out and the dog starts barking at the neighbor pasture. I'm like "It's just a cow, cut it out." Then I see it's not and its a deer. I get the wife and walk right up on it.

Wildlife guy came out and put her down and said likely Abscess, Cyst in the brain or head trauma. He covers several counties and said he sees this 2 or 3 times a day!!!

Hoping this FB video posts here.
https://www.facebook.com/archeryrob/videos/pcb.10212721730517524/10212721728797481/?type=3&theater

And walking in circles
https://www.facebook.com/275d3d52-8433-41e8-9332-3f44c053ad18

Speed3 · Feb 5, 2020

I can't see the video at work. I had a video on my old phone of a 7pt literally walking in circles over and over again for almost an hour. He would stumble around, certainly not "sure footed". He made his way to a small creek, stood in the creek and laid his head on the embankment. It was sad to watch actually. I asked my uncle if I could cull it, but he said no.

Alea Jacta Est · Feb 5, 2020

I’d like to see it. Alas, no FB for me

Archeryrob · Feb 5, 2020

Ok, I didn't want to put this on my YT account. So trying Vimeo.

https://vimeo.com/389499864

https://vimeo.com/389500811

<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/389500811" width="640" height="564" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowfullscreen></iframe>

ok, the YT coding doesn't work for Vimeo and their embedded code either

Speed3 · Feb 5, 2020

That is EXACTLY like the buck I saw several years ago. SAD to see. DNR mentioned 2-3/day? Something has to be the cause...can't all be head trauma, abscess etc

lazarus · Feb 5, 2020

Speed3 said:
That is EXACTLY like the buck I saw several years ago. SAD to see. DNR mentioned 2-3/day? Something has to be the cause...can't all be head trauma, abscess etc

2-3 a day over a geographic area of a couple thousand square miles or more that the guy is getting calls for isn’t that often. Also I suspect an exaggeration and/or not identical causes or behaviors.

If you had 30,000 humans, how many are going to have dementia, Alzheimer’s, autism, Down syndrome, etc. etc.

I am going to guess hundreds

28Shooter · Feb 5, 2020

Maybe related to an overpopulation issue...something the bunny huggers don't like to talk about.

Alea Jacta Est · Feb 5, 2020

Thanks AR.

Strange indeed.

No trauma visible but absolutely not acting normal. Maybe a car scrambled his brain housing group.

Speed3 · Feb 5, 2020

lazarus said:
2-3 a day over a geographic area of a couple thousand square miles or more that the guy is getting calls for isn’t that often. Also I suspect an exaggeration and/or not identical causes or behaviors.

If you had 30,000 humans, how many are going to have dementia, Alzheimer’s, autism, Down syndrome, etc. etc.

I am going to guess hundreds

2-3/day= 520-780 a year over a few counties? There are 24 counties in Maryland, I'll assume a few to mean 3..so state wide its a multiplier of 8. In this case that is 4k-6k on a yearly basis. Estimates varying for population size in Maryland, but one site quoted 207k deer. As a % that's only 2-3% of total deer population, not horribly alarming, agreed.

However, these are only the deer that are being reported. I'm sure there are other cases like mine where the behavior is observed and not reported. Add in the rural areas where some deer could display the conditions and not be observed or reported.

I wouldn't have expected DNR to say they see a few of those a year, not a few a day.

Dr Dano HPR · Feb 5, 2020

Thought I saw on one of those shows about Maine Game Wardens. "North Woods Law something?" There was a moose walking in circles until they put it down. Some kind of virus or parasite that attacked the brain, I believe. Will have see if I can find video.

Dr Dano HPR · Feb 5, 2020

Think I found it.

Tomcat · Feb 5, 2020

Possibly, Chronic wasting disease
(CWD) affects the brain and nervous system of infected deer, elk, and moose eventually resulting in death. CWD-infected deer, on average, do not display clinical symptoms of disease for 18 to 24 months.
From the PA DNR site https://www.pgc.pa.gov/Pages/AlertDetails.aspx
Map https://pagame.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=084308c67d524d14ad90dcb2232b0c01
Looks like it covers most of the MD border

fscwi · Feb 5, 2020

I wonder if they are taking brain tissue samples and testing for CWD.

Dr Dano HPR · Feb 5, 2020

Here is another one in New Hampshire. Moose walking in circles is towards the end.

Alea Jacta Est · Feb 5, 2020

I’m not so sure that Nancy Pssorssis isn’t days to weeks away from this exact behavior....

Sorry, couldn’t resist. On the upside from the thread derail, there would be lots of folks lining up to put her down.

Archeryrob · Feb 5, 2020

DNR said she would have been skinny already for it to be CWD. They really thought it is brain trauma or pressure from a growth. Possible other disease and one referenced seeing distemper in deer and raccoons.

BigCountry14 · Feb 5, 2020

For what it's worth, the brain worm that attacks moose is present in whitetail, however they are immune to the effects of it. The brain worm co-evolved with the whitetail on this continent. Moose were the last of the cervid species to cross the land bridge, and are very susceptible to the worm. As whitetail populations have boomed and spread, its had an adverse effect on Moose.

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Pale Ryder · Feb 5, 2020

There is a brain worm that does affect deer.

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/what-could-possibly-be-wrong-with-this-buck/amp/

marko · Feb 5, 2020

That second vid AR - looks like the deer was on ice??

bigdv · Feb 5, 2020

That deer is/was in bad shape. Looked like a broken neck from the first video.

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