Are AR-15 Rifles a Public Safety Threat?

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  • BeoBill

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    All very accurate and very true. Good luck getting an anti-2a proponent to listen to or acknowledge any of that because:. It is a logical arguement. Those who want to ban guns do so not because it makes sense to, but because black rifles are scary.

    That's the thing exactly. The current generation of "city" and "suburb" (i.e., Dimocrat enclave schooled) parents have been indoctrinated over their entire life to fear any kind of gun. Unless it's an LEO's, of course.

    Completely brainwashed. It's going to take some serious deprogramming to reverse that.
     

    Combloc

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    Nov 10, 2010
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    Are AR-15 Rifles a Public Safety Threat?

    https://fee.org/articles/are-ar-15-...O_e-HIDajc7H_QAA5SYIBTpfOR90XEt5Rdn8OhRiBeLvo

    How many murders involve rifles like the AR-15?
    If we take the time to look at the raw data provided by the FBI, we find that all rifles, not just “assault-style rifles,” constitute on average 340 homicides per year from 2007 through 2017 (see Figure 1.). When we adjust these numbers to take under-reporting into account, that number rises to an average of 439 per year.

    Figure 2 compares rifle homicides to homicides with other non-firearm weapons. Believe it or not, between 2007 and 2017, nearly 1,700 people were murdered with a knife or sharp object per year. That’s almost four times the number of people murdered by an assailant with any sort of rifle.

    In any given year, for every person murdered with a rifle, there are 15 murdered with handguns, 1.7 with hands or fists, and 1.2 with blunt instruments. In fact, homicides with any sort of rifle represent a mere 3.2 percent of all homicides on average over the past decade.

    Excellent information!!
     

    GOG-MD

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    All very accurate and very true. Good luck getting an anti-2a proponent to listen to or acknowledge any of that because:. It is a logical arguement. Those who want to ban guns do so not because it makes sense to, but because black rifles are scary.

    Yup. I've quoted these exact stats to anti-2A people and even presented with this hard data (from government sources no less), they wouldn't change their mind or even acknowledge that their anti-2A stance is flawed. Just kept falling back on the same old tired "but why do you need an AR-15?" BS.
     

    GlocksAndPatriots

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    You know what? I really don't think that's the whole (or even the most) of it. They want to ban them BECAUSE YOU DON'T. In the same way that Democrats solidly behind and making speeches for years in favor of a physical border barrier are suddenly claiming that Trump is immoral for wanting the same thing for the same reasons ... it's pure tribal hatred. If people who don't happen to like Nanny State socialism and an atmosphere of cultural PC tyranny happen to also personally like the right to keep and bear arms, then without any need for further analysis, guns must be evil. Because of the people who want to own them. They think you are a deplorable monster, generally, so anything that differentiates you from them is intolerable (and probably racist, too, for good measure). Guns are the pure, distilled, 100% embodiment of everything they hate about YOU, hence the constructed narrative and profound myopia about simple facts as laid out in the OP's link. As long as they hate you, the gun sideshow isn't going away.

    https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/...cle_6768055e-7302-5beb-ab55-f8b79d0d4639.html

    Here's a good example. No racial issue here at all prior to these people.
     

    GlocksAndPatriots

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    Yup. The only people trying to inject race into it are the idiotic lefty NPC counter protesters, who couldn't hold a coherent conversation on the underlying issues to save their lives.

    Interestingly enough, in my experience, caring about gun rights is the single best indicator of being a conservative. Nearly all blacks and Hispanics support the Democrat Party, but the gun rights supporters are almost always conservatives, no matter what race.
     

    cstone

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    Dec 12, 2018
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    Are AR-15 Rifles a Public Safety Threat?

    Mine aren't. I can't speak for any of the millions of others out there, but the statistics don't seem to indicate that they are.

    Always sort of amazing to me that people who don't know the difference between a Glock 17 and an AK47 are writing firearms legislation. The only firearms the left are willing to accept are the ones paid for by the taxpayers and wielded by public servants who are paid to protect the government. How many armed professionals are protecting Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer today?
     

    spoon059

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    We live in the Age of Emotion, where opioid deaths every two weeks is equal to a 747 crashing in America, with bus loads of teens being maimed and killed while texting every week.

    But they want to focus on EBRs...

    The opioid epidemic and texting/crashing phenomenon are inconsequential, because opioids and vehicular manslaughter aren't a threat to the Progressive government.

    Conservative gun owners are the threat. They don't care about how many people die, or who is dying (unless its a kid or a pretty white woman)... they just care about being able to disarm the population. Once the Conservatives are effectively neutered, it'll be a lot easier to quicken our descent into Progressivism and Communism...

    Just like universal healthcare isn't about lowering healthcare costs, nor is it about improving the quality or care, nor is it really about increasing the amount of insured patients... its about government take over of yet another industry.

    They still aren't sure if they can come straight out and say they want a Socialist or Communist government... so they are just slowly eroding Capitalism and Conservatism and slowly injecting more and more Progressive and Socialist programs.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    Meanwhile back at Post #29 , and G&P's observations .

    I occasionally recieve mild grief for being unabashed Single Issue Voter . But as G&P points out , positions on Gun Rights are by far the best Litmus Test for small government , personal freedom, and following the Constitution .

    Moderately strong correlation to also being " conservative " . But there are " pro- business neo-cons " who are anti- gun , and pro-gun libertarians .

    If we were in someplace like Texas , we would have the delema of long time supporters strongly backing Shall Issue vs ideological purists favoring Con Carry . But we aren't faced with those " problems " .
     

    Nielsg

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    Oct 14, 2013
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    Officially registered Independent here...

    Not all of us "liberals" are anti-2a ;-) Heck, I have a bumper sticker on my truck that says Gun Toting Liberal, right next to my NRA sticker. Yes, I am also a long time (35 years) NRA member, but I fear the rhetoric on both sides is emotional and not facts based. Thank you for the facts OP, I couldn't agree more.

    Tyranny from the left, or the right, is still tyranny. I hate any and all politicians who use fear to get elected, both Democrats and Republicans...

    We need to invest in enforcing the laws already on the books, and not letting emotions put more and more burdens on law abiding citizens, and realize, that in the end, no laws deter criminals. I support Marylander's right to carry, and have supported candidates locally who favor Shall Issue, and will continue to do so.

    We need to fund more mental health services, and de-stigmatize obtaining them.

    Molon Labe!

    Carry on, ignore this old idealist ;-)
     

    fidelity

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    The opioid epidemic and texting/crashing phenomenon are inconsequential, because opioids and vehicular manslaughter aren't a threat to the Progressive government.

    ...
    Good post (including the parts that I clipped out). This state is willing to go to the mat on the relief of restrictions to a carry permit. The effect of restricted vs non restricted carry permits on the well being of Marylanders is unclear, but certainly far less than the two issues that you mention. But no resource waste is too large for a progressive/socialist government when preserving the prerogative in maintaining control over the governed.

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    rascal

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    When it comes up in conversation, and the response to under 2% is: "well the big school shootings" make sure to state the fact that the largest fatality school shooting ever in the US was Virginia tech with handgun. So it s not speculation that that handgun is better at killing more, it is a fact. At Va-tech Cho was able to tuck handgun in his clothes very easily and move from target area to fresh target area, even walking past campus security running around. There is no evidence whatsoever that AR-15 would be more fatal in any school shootings since we already now the worst one was with handgun.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    Let's not forget the largest school * Mass Murder * was committed with a firebomb ( by a School Board Member FWIW ).

    Continuing a theme , the largest single person Mass Murder in the US , was also commited with firebomb . Specifically $1.00 of gasoline and a match .
     

    Adolph Oliver Bush

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    Let's not forget the largest school * Mass Murder * was committed with a firebomb ( by a School Board Member FWIW ).

    Continuing a theme , the largest single person Mass Murder in the US , was also commited with firebomb . Specifically $1.00 of gasoline and a match .


    I looked for said firebombing by school board member. Is this the incident to which you refer? I always like to provide data so folks can go read the facts for themselves (apologies for only posting wikipedia link, not an actual news source).



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
     

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