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Old December 30th, 2009, 08:42 PM #11
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This should help!http://everything2.com/title/Turkish+Curses
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Old December 30th, 2009, 08:56 PM #12
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Just because they say "My friend, my friend" doesn't mean they are your friend. (Of course that goes for just about everywhere...) I miss the apple tea and hookah pipe. Kinda funny that we can buy firearms (MUST DO PAPERWORK!!!) but not a multi-output water pipe for smoking legit materials. Rugs are another option, but you MUST know what you are looking for and can not sell them within X months of returning - otherwise you get nailed for importing without a license. Not as bad at the ATF messing with you, but pretty bad. Shipboard storage is another issue.

If this isn't your first rodeo: make eye contact. Smile with the eyes not just the mouth. A few words of the local language goes a looong way. Take a moment or ten and ask about their family, and have photos ready for yours. Don't have photos? Get some off the internet. If a stateside negotiation is a TV commercial, one over there (and elsewhere going East for a while) is a full out cinema production. Low-ball at 10-15% of what they start with and don't be a wuss. Sooner or later, equilibrium will be met. A lot of merchants about as happy with their full price as a vigorous sale.


The vendors know when the ships are coming into ports before the folks on the ships do - I've seen the same vendors (we greeted each other by first name) in multiple ports throughout each country. Makes the spider-sense tingle a bit.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 11:55 PM #13
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very true about the family stuff. good point.
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I lived in Adana Turkey (near Incirlik Air Base) for two years and had the opportunity to help the Huglu vendor on the "alley" outside base sell lots of O/U's to visiting Americans. Also shot lots of Huglus belonging to American Airmen from base. Talked to lots of Airmen who had extensive experience with Huglus and other cheaper brands. Generally, the Huglu is one of the better Turkish shotguns; though they are still not up to snuff compared to most top US brands. I encountered lots of trigger, ejection and firing pin issues in guns that had been shot a lot--mostly range rentals that didn't get proper care. I worked at the US Consulate and helped many visiting US congressmen buy shotguns on their Incirlik boondoggles, er, "layovers" on their way to/from Iraq/Afghanistan. One congressman bought 19 shotguns--all 20 ga and .410's as gifts for quail hunting friends and family--in one visit. The store owner was elated. Prices use to be quite cheap, but have risen considerably in recent years. The owner there had a system worked out where he would ship the guns he sold guns directly to his U.S. dealer counterpart--he would package the gun for shipment and complete the paperwork, then have the buyer ship legally through the base P.O. All the buyer had to do was fill out his portion of the paperwork and have the guns picked up at the dealer in the U.S. for a small fee, of course. All legal and above board. Bottom line on the Huglus: with proper care and expectation of future visits to the gunsmith, they can be fine guns. The higher end models have nicely engraved receivers and are quite handsome. Prices are still decent. I found they shot well, and I liked their balance and drop. I busted a lot of clays with Huglus at the Incirlik trap range.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 11:16 PM #15
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I have a CZ Ringneck SxS 28 ga. that I like and with which I even manage to kill a grouse or two. The bluing and general exterior fit & finish are nice and the stock is flat lovely but it honestly it doesn't feel like a Beretta or Franchi or even SKB when you slide the selector or safety. But it's the first SxS I've owned and it has not failed to function yet. And it shoots where I point it. At half the price of other entry level SxS's you probably get what you pay for but for me that was the difference between having one or not. I hesitated on the Huglus but stepped up when CZ-USA picked up the line and started importing and warrantying them. I have had nothing but good luck with the CZ stuff.

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I think Stoeger is made in Turkey...they have good shotguns. I have a M2000

The Condor is a nice looking gun
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Old January 19th, 2010, 02:31 AM #17
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Different Stogers are made different places. The SxS and O/Us are from Brazil.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 05:59 PM #18
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No, Stoegers are not good shotguns. They are in the same league as Turkish guns. Bottom line, as with most things, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
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