What makes an HBAR an HBAR?
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Merlin
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Merlin
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Has anyone heard how the MSP will treat H-BARS after Oct 1st?
YouWillShootYourEyeOutKid
Member
would a "18" SS match fluted barrel" from psa be considered an HBAR? or would that be undefined?
- Feb 4, 2013
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Does PSA say it is a Heavy barrel or Heavy Contour?
It probably is anyway. Most match barrels are.
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
OK I will take it one step further...I have an ARES Defense SCR..Basically it's a standard upper receiver with ARES barrel. The barrel is NOT HBAR...It's a straight tube, no launcher cut out, not threaded for a muzz brake....and a proprietary lower and bolt carrier. You can replace the upper and the bolt and configure it for several different calibers with the right hardware. It's legal in Md...SO why wouldn't that upper be legal to put onto any M4 or other AR platform? The law is poorly written and confusing...MSP purposely refuses to define HBAR other than having HBAR stamped on the barrel..If I owned a firearms manufacturing company I would have all of my barrels stamped with it..
I believe it has to be literally designated as an HBAR by the manufacturer, meaning it has to be stamped or stated(sold) by them that it is. Same dimensions, profile and weight as one doesn't count.
pcfixer
Ultimate Member
I think very obvious to see from manufacturer online. I have a De-ton upper
kit I purchased, NATO 5.56 Heavy Barrel configuration.
http://www.del-ton.com/Rifle_Kit_p/rkt101.htm
Barrel:
kit I purchased, NATO 5.56 Heavy Barrel configuration.
http://www.del-ton.com/Rifle_Kit_p/rkt101.htm
Barrel:
- Chrome Moly Vanadium
- M4 Feed Ramps
- 16" Length
- 1x9 Twist
- A2 Flash Hider
- Manganese Phosphated
- Phosphated under Front Sight Base
- Taper Pins in F-marked Front Sight Base
- Threaded Muzzle
- Heavy Profile
- 5.56 X 45 mm
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
While MSP says stamped or advertised by Manufacturer as HBAR, I don't think it would stand up in court with the same or heavier profile barrel that is not marked or advertised.
HOWEVER, if advertised as Medium or something that is not HBAR, I personally would not take the chance, no matter what the actual profile is.
MKR03
Active Member
Agreed. I think it will take such a court case before the legislature adds a definition to the statute or COMAR. Like you, I don't want to be the person named in that legal precedent.
embermage
Active Member
How about bull barrel?
LWRC and Adcor Defense are Maryland based firearm manufactures. What is interesting is that their "pencil barrels" are not banned on the MSPD banned gun list. Adcor Defense for example does NOT make an HBAR. But their Elite 5.56 is not banned. As a matter of fact, i bought their upper because I was intrigued by their piston design. So far, extremely reliable and the most accurate rifle I own (I am no marksman, any rifle will perform better than I am capable of, but... I shoot SUB MOA with this one all day long).
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It's because it's a piston design. As stupid as it is, if the gun is a piston gun the barrel profile doesn't matter.
18wheeler
Active Member
Gotta love MDs gun laws...
They don't have to make sense, they just need to make things inconvenient, confusing, and legally hazardous for us. That's the purpose of MD's gun control regime.
I don't even think they intentionally make it confusing... I think they are just that ignorant and stupid.
At the end of the day, heavy barrel, light barrel, pistol, rifle, short or long barrel, tactical style or Rancher style... they shoot the same bullet from the same magazine at the same speed with the same velocity and are accurate to the same distance (within reason). These laws are stupid.
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danb
dont be a dumbass
Also the HK MR556 is not banned. Technically the Colt AR15 is also a "piston" rifle, it's just a different super dangerous killer for children kind of piston chosen by manical killers. As long as those pistons are not interchangeable with the other pistons you are gtg.
If you think they are ignorant and stupid, please dont bother to educate them. Educating them wont end they way you think with them magically waving away the rules.
If you think they are ignorant and stupid, please dont bother to educate them. Educating them wont end they way you think with them magically waving away the rules.
Fascinating!
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