dreadpirate
Ultimate Member
If you are in a job that requires you to move to Maryland, Conn, Co, NJ, HI, and back again, then this is the rifle for you.
Ruger MD Compliant AR-556 - Way to Go Ruger!!
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If you are in a job that requires you to move to Maryland, Conn, Co, NJ, HI, and back again, then this is the rifle for you.
Threeband
The M1 Does My Talking
That thing is an abomination and an insult.
No way in hell I'm buying a Connecticut compliant rifle if I don't have to. If I want a fixed stock, it'll be an A2 or A1 stock, not a fake telescoping stock.
Aray's daughter saved our Goldilocks stocks. and that's what I demand.
By the way, thank your daughter one more time for all of us, Aray.
(I want a flash hider and a bayonet lug, too. Don't need no damn silly flare launcher, but but I needs my bayonet for repelling cavalry charges.)
No way in hell I'm buying a Connecticut compliant rifle if I don't have to. If I want a fixed stock, it'll be an A2 or A1 stock, not a fake telescoping stock.
Aray's daughter saved our Goldilocks stocks. and that's what I demand.
By the way, thank your daughter one more time for all of us, Aray.
(I want a flash hider and a bayonet lug, too. Don't need no damn silly flare launcher, but but I needs my bayonet for repelling cavalry charges.)
Threeband
The M1 Does My Talking
People are thinking this was intended as a Maryland rifle. It was not. They included Maryland in their list, but this rifle was obviously not set up with any specific thought to Maryland laws.
It's being marketed as a "Restricted States" rifle, meeting restrictions far worse than Maryland's.
We fought to keep our telescoping stocks, our flash hiders, and bayonet lugs. Why should we impose worse restrictions on ourselves than our anti-gun legislature does?
This is a BGOS rifle.
It's being marketed as a "Restricted States" rifle, meeting restrictions far worse than Maryland's.
We fought to keep our telescoping stocks, our flash hiders, and bayonet lugs. Why should we impose worse restrictions on ourselves than our anti-gun legislature does?
This is a BGOS rifle.
Now I'm wondering who's actually at legal risk if they send a non-compliant rifle to a MD FFL who then transfers it. I would think the FFL would be the one in hot water, at least as far as MSP is concerned. I don't think a manufacturer's mistaken interpretation of MD law gets the FFL off the hook. But IANAL.
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,280
Ahhhh , Ruger didn't make a rifle specifically for Marylanders. They typed Maryland onto the list of states to aim the Mass/ NJ rifles. IF they actually take Md seriously , anf engrave the letters "H*B*A*R" upon it , or even include said letters in their official company literature and specifications we could give each other high fives. As Is, still kinda ambigous.
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,280
OK, I posted at the bottom of page 1.
Ruger gets partial credit for implying the existance of Maryland , and our plight. They didn't go all the way with truely Md specific rifle. Is partial recognition worse than totally ignoring us and writing us off ? I'll leave it to each of us.
Meanwhile, I freely admit to doing various project witha large part of motivation to give the finger to O'Mally on as many levels as possable. But true freedom is having choices to make for ourselves. If I wish to have a rifle with an unthreaded bull bbl and fixed stock, it's because I want one, and not because I'm battering myself.
Ruger gets partial credit for implying the existance of Maryland , and our plight. They didn't go all the way with truely Md specific rifle. Is partial recognition worse than totally ignoring us and writing us off ? I'll leave it to each of us.
Meanwhile, I freely admit to doing various project witha large part of motivation to give the finger to O'Mally on as many levels as possable. But true freedom is having choices to make for ourselves. If I wish to have a rifle with an unthreaded bull bbl and fixed stock, it's because I want one, and not because I'm battering myself.
Merlin593
Active Member
Where are the HBAR police when you need them? 
Time for a reality check - Just like the 10 round mag law, this whole HBAR thing is unenforceable and was put into SB281 as a feel good clause rather than having any real effect on reducing perceived gun violence. The design of a barrel doesn't mean squat when it comes to how many rounds I can put down range at one time.
You can go online and buy government profile/pencil barrels/complete uppers all day long and have them shipped to Maryland. Guys on this board in the classifieds sell non HBAR barrels/uppers. Gun shops in Maryland sell complete non HBAR uppers. Geez- I wonder what lowers these non compliant barrels might be ending up on? I'm sure they're all being purchased by out of state gun owners only... Note the sarcasm.
If this part of SB281 was really that important, MSP and other government agencies would have to figure out how to prevent any non HBAR barrels from coming into the state.
I equate this issue with the shouldering of an AR pistol. No one really cares or will enforce it.
Time for a reality check - Just like the 10 round mag law, this whole HBAR thing is unenforceable and was put into SB281 as a feel good clause rather than having any real effect on reducing perceived gun violence. The design of a barrel doesn't mean squat when it comes to how many rounds I can put down range at one time.
You can go online and buy government profile/pencil barrels/complete uppers all day long and have them shipped to Maryland. Guys on this board in the classifieds sell non HBAR barrels/uppers. Gun shops in Maryland sell complete non HBAR uppers. Geez- I wonder what lowers these non compliant barrels might be ending up on? I'm sure they're all being purchased by out of state gun owners only... Note the sarcasm.
If this part of SB281 was really that important, MSP and other government agencies would have to figure out how to prevent any non HBAR barrels from coming into the state.
I equate this issue with the shouldering of an AR pistol. No one really cares or will enforce it.
TheGunnyRet
Ultimate Member
Where are the HBAR police when you need them?
Time for a reality check - Just like the 10 round mag law, this whole HBAR thing is unenforceable and was put into SB281 as a feel good clause rather than having any real effect on reducing perceived gun violence. The design of a barrel doesn't mean squat when it comes to how many rounds I can put down range at one time.
You can go online and buy government profile/pencil barrels/complete uppers all day long and have them shipped to Maryland. Guys on this board in the classifieds sell non HBAR barrels/uppers. Gun shops in Maryland sell complete non HBAR uppers. Geez- I wonder what lowers these non compliant barrels might be ending up on? I'm sure they're all being purchased by out of state gun owners only... Note the sarcasm.
If this part of SB281 was really that important, MSP and other government agencies would have to figure out how to prevent any non HBAR barrels from coming into the state.
I equate this issue with the shouldering of an AR pistol. No one really cares or will enforce it.
As noted, but that's a BIG IF ???
Knowing that you don't have to go through an FFL for a Barrel, and the lower possesses the SN registered...and you only have to HBAR the 223/556 Caliber...your reasoning is partially correct...
But notably most people are Law Abiding Citizens even though its heretical...
dreadpirate
Ultimate Member
I am going to write Ruger and ask them where in Maryland this rifle would be available since 2 FFLS have already told me they would not sell it.
The original "Way to Go Ruger" title still applies but with a different twist.
The original "Way to Go Ruger" title still applies but with a different twist.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 50,068
It's like deja vu all over again!
I think, as others have said, you can do better in-state. But, if you're setting the record straight, good going.
I think, as others have said, you can do better in-state. But, if you're setting the record straight, good going.
Threeband
The M1 Does My Talking
No, it goes back to the original Regulated Long Guns list, which was based on Feinstein's Assault Rifle list from c. 1989. (That list was put together by a couple Feinstein staffers who bought a Guns and Ammo Annual at a newstand, and listed all the rifles they thought looked scary. Seriously. No shit.)
Anyway, when the Maryland Legislature tried to adopt that list, Second Amendment advocates here got the HBAR exclusion put in to exempt target rifles used by 18 - 20 year olds shooting in competitions.
In those days, there were only a handful of AR rifles on the market. The AR15 Pencil Barrel and the CAR 15 Carbine were intended for shooting poodles, while the HBAR was intended for target shooting.
Meanwhile the purpose of SB281 was purely to make political points, not to actually reduce crime. They just wanted to pass something they could point to and say, "Look, we cracked down hard!" O"Malley in particular wanted to ride it to the White House.
Once the legislation has passed, the legislators have no further interest in it. But as for banning the importation of non-HBAR barrels, that would require entirely separate legislation.
Bisleyfan44
Ultimate Member
Delmarva Law Enforcement Supply In Dagsboro, DE WILL sell these to a MD resident. Not saying it's legal or not, right or wrong, just sayin'. If you want one, they'll sell it to you.
BigDaddy
Ultimate Member
- Feb 7, 2014
- 2,235
I forced their hand with my call earlier today. 
http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=4029072&postcount=4
http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=4029072&postcount=4
BigDaddy
Ultimate Member
- Feb 7, 2014
- 2,235
I'm sure Marty will be giving you a call to thank you for saving livesI forced their hand with my call earlier today.
running and ducking
I'm up for the Baron Von Frosh Brown-Noser of the Year award.I'm sure Marty will be giving you a call to thank you for saving lives
running and ducking
If I saved ONE MDShooter life from prison ..........
if the manufacturer says its compliant with your state I would think it's compliant with your state. If it's not, and that 0.0000000000000001% chance presented itself in the future, the manufacturer should be on the hook for a refund
Yep
As long as Ruger advertises it as legal, its legal.
That is how the stupid law FSA2013 works.
That's definitely not how it works. The whole "if you label it an HBAR, it becomes an HBAR" thing is getting very overplayed around here. I've only heard of one FFL being told that, and I'm going to guess that stamping HBAR on a pencil barrel isn't really what they had in mind with that interpretation.
The MSP made that determination, nonetheless.
