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Old December 24th, 2012, 12:48 AM #11
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Still haven't found them. Apparently, it's common sense. And apparently, when statistics and law disagree with their common sense, it must mean that only their common sense is right.
If I were in your shoes I would ask those folks how do they have common sense on this subject when chances are they haven't handled a firearm or have had any training, etc. They seem to think that guns have a mind of their own and go around killing people.

Typically the only "knowledge" they have is from movies, TV, video games, etc. All of which rarely depict firearms accurately... to say the least.

I'm tired and can't focus real well. What I would recommend to you is browse these forums and you'll be able to gather enough intel to rebut most, if not all, anti-gun arguments.

Check this link out, from a thread in the water cooler. It's a long read but this guy is basically a "veteran" against the anti-gun "enemy".

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...n-gun-control/

I'm off to bed now.
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Old December 24th, 2012, 01:22 AM #12
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All you need to know about liberals and how to argue with them is bolded below:

According to E. K. Hunt, classical liberals made four assumptions about human nature: People were "egoistic, coldly calculating, essentially inert and atomistic". In addition, people were motivated solely by pain and pleasure. Being calculating, they made decisions intended to maximise pleasure and minimise pain. If there were no opportunity to increase pleasure or reduce pain, they would become inert. Therefore, the only motivation for labour was either the possibility of great reward or fear of hunger. This belief led classical liberal politicians to pass the Poor Law Amendment Act 1834, which limited the provision of social assistance. On the other hand, classical liberals believed that men of higher rank were motivated by ambition. Seeing society as atomistic, they believed that society was no more than the sum of its individual members. These views departed from earlier views of society as a family and, therefore, greater than the sum of its members.

Classical liberals agreed with Thomas Hobbes that government had been created by individuals to protect themselves from one another. They thought that individuals should be free to pursue their self-interest without control or restraint by society. Individuals should be free to obtain work from the highest-paying employers, while the profit motive would ensure that products that people desired were produced at prices they would pay. In a free market, both labour and capital would receive the greatest possible reward, while production would be organised efficiently to meet consumer demand.
Most liberals I know believe man to be inherently good and unselfish. Their ideology makes them believe if you put everyone on a equal field and only then will all the anger, hate and greed melt away and the true nature of man will be revealed.

I argue that man is still an animal of nature, man is a pack breed that needs a hierarchy, In a pack you earn your keep, if you feel you are equal to the one in front of you take a look at what scraps you get as opposed to the one in front of you. Like all animals there is certain inherent violence but violence non the less.

Of course my liberal friends think I am nuts thinking that way.
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half the time I have to bite my tongue because those for gun control (extreme measures like confiscation) lack the understanding that it is a right that is protected just as any other right under the Constitution. I remind them unlike a license to drive which is a privileged, owning firearms is a right much like voting. My legal background at times tends to make them think twice and give me a minute to make my point, but I have many try to explain to me the "law" or what it should be so I tend to have to just walk away. These are the same people that would come to me an hour later if they needed legal advice for anything else lol. It just hurts the brain.
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Old December 24th, 2012, 11:00 AM #15
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half the time I have to bite my tongue because those for gun control (extreme measures like confiscation) lack the understanding that it is a right that is protected just as any other right under the Constitution. I remind them unlike a license to drive which is a privileged, owning firearms is a right much like voting. My legal background at times tends to make them think twice and give me a minute to make my point, but I have many try to explain to me the "law" or what it should be so I tend to have to just walk away. These are the same people that would come to me an hour later if they needed legal advice for anything else lol. It just hurts the brain.
Hurts the brain. Every time liberals open their mouths this happens.......
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Thanks Krew. That's a good read.
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We do not need to convert the liberal minority, we need to just nudge the uncommitted majority
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Thus, the only inquiry that this Court should conduct is to determine whether the firearms prohibited by the Act are protected by the Second Amendment. Because they are, the Act is simply unconstitutional.
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Look, like I said, there's been Scotch involved.

Good response

Also, check this article out: http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/brown/080800.htm
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half the time I have to bite my tongue because those for gun control (extreme measures like confiscation) lack the understanding that it is a right that is protected just as any other right under the Constitution. I remind them unlike a license to drive which is a privileged, owning firearms is a right much like voting. My legal background at times tends to make them think twice and give me a minute to make my point, but I have many try to explain to me the "law" or what it should be so I tend to have to just walk away. These are the same people that would come to me an hour later if they needed legal advice for anything else lol. It just hurts the brain.
My Uncle tried to use a drivers license as an example on FB. Once I reminded him of the Constitution and that owning a gun was the 2nd amendment and that a DL is a privilege he deleted the whole thread and left his libtard link up. truth hurts I guess.
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We do not need to convert the liberal minority, we need to just nudge the uncommitted majority
Well, that'll work this time around, but what happens next time some psycho goes on a rampage? What happens next time there's a anti-gun windfall in an election?
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