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Old April 17th, 2012, 04:16 PM #821
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In legal limbo. I'm not arguing that the MSP is justified. I'm just trying to think why they are handling it this way. And I don't think some PR fluff about how many applications they grant is the reason for returning people's money.
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Old April 17th, 2012, 04:26 PM #822
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In legal limbo. I'm not arguing that the MSP is justified. I'm just trying to think why they are handling it this way. And I don't think some PR fluff about how many applications they grant is the reason for returning people's money.
The reason is to get rid of the apps without the expense of processing and to deter and discourage folks from applying in the first place. It also helps their "approved" % number. Which is BS since they refuse to process and return all the apps without a facial G&S reason.
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In legal limbo. I'm not arguing that the MSP is justified. I'm just trying to think why they are handling it this way. And I don't think some PR fluff about how many applications they grant is the reason for returning people's money.
It's not PR fluff. It's a consistent point every time they testify in Annapolis on the shall issue bills.

They testify that the law is working perfectly because 97% of people who apply are approved.
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In legal limbo. I'm not arguing that the MSP is justified. I'm just trying to think why they are handling it this way. And I don't think some PR fluff about how many applications they grant is the reason for returning people's money.
Keep in mind that (AFAIK) MSP has not said one word as to "why" other than the content of the letter.
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It also helps their "approved" % number. Which is BS since they refuse to process and return all the apps without a facial G&S reason.
So, are you saying past practice is the same as current practice? That is, the fee was returned and the application was NOT processed if found to lack G&S reason in their eyes? (No wonder Woollard sued.)
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So, are you saying past practice is the same as current practice? That is, the fee was returned and the application was NOT processed if found to lack G&S reason in their eyes? (No wonder Woollard sued.)
No direct personal knowledge, but that's my understanding..... As to Woollard, he sued because they *did* process his renewal application and then found his G&S reasons insufficient.
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No direct personal knowledge, but that's my understanding.....
Then why can't anyone who got a returned application sue for some kind of breach of duty? If you don't process my application, I don't have standing to even appeal the decision, because no decision was made. That's not how government is supposed to work.
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I am quite certain that the state will pay the fees and costs if Woollard ultimately prevails on the state's appeal.
You think "Omalley" will pay with state funds?
I seriously donít see it Happening.
He has a built-in scape goat!
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Managerial/funding issues are not written into the law. Sucks to be them

It's law ß 5-312 for the 90 days.
I know. But they will still use it as an excuse and they will not get hurt for doing it. It sucks being us with them in charge. But maybe that all will change.
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No direct personal knowledge, but that's my understanding..... As to Woollard, he sued because they *did* process his renewal application and then found his G&S reasons insufficient.
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If/when we prevail, I'm guessing it will not go very well for the first person with a CCW that may get involved in anything questionable involving there CCW. I can only imagine this AG will see to it that NO ONE will get the benefit of the doubt as they look for anything they can to prove CCW are a bad idea.

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