Supreme Court Takes Major NRA Second Amendment Case from New York

Kharn · Dec 7, 2019

Animated version of the argument, shows who is speaking

I think this was a lot more helpful than trying to listen to just the audio alone.

At 55:00ish, the respondent saying the ranges are required to maintain a list of authorized users and the list is subject to instant inspection really struck me as "WTF."

danb · Dec 7, 2019

Kharn said:
The held cases not moving is the bigger tracking metric, IMO. Seeing the case(s) distributed for conference is the first warning order that something is afoot, per normal procedures. I'm not sure if they can spontaneously discuss a case at conference without that courtesy.

Alito writing about not moot and Thomas writing about the law violating the 2A would be my expected dissents (or combined dissent) from a finding of moot or DAIG, which would take some time.

I wonder if procedurally we get an opinion on the 2A at all if the case is moot. I suspect we wont. If the case is moot I think we get an opinion on mootness and dissent.

Kharn · Dec 7, 2019

I don't expect a majority or per curiam opinion if it is moot, just a mention in the orders about Munsingwear or DIG followed by dissent(s).

Fedora · Dec 7, 2019

danb said:
I wonder if procedurally we get an opinion on the 2A at all if the case is moot. I suspect we wont. If the case is moot I think we get an opinion on mootness and dissent.

If so, then it's on to the next battle, perhaps this time with Amy Coney Barrett in the majority.

ironpony · Dec 7, 2019

Why is it I feel that listening to the audio would be like getting dinner and a movie after the date is over.

Kharn · Dec 7, 2019

ironpony said:
Why is it I feel that listening to the audio would be like getting dinner and a movie after the date is over.

I listened to the audio and I thought more favorably than I did with the transcript alone.

fred55 · Dec 7, 2019

After listening to the recording I’m less impressed with our Supreme Court than I previously was. I admit to not watching them closely but the libs questions and comments are stunning. fred55

Kharn · Dec 7, 2019

fred55 said:
After listening to the recording I’m less impressed with our Supreme Court than I previously was. I admit to not watching them closely but the libs questions and comments are stunning. fred55

I think Kagan is the most open minded, I like her conversation on Page 17 about carry vs transport. But I don't expect a vote from her.

Sotomayor just strikes me as a rude person.

Deep Lurker · Dec 7, 2019

We’re on GUN TALK LIVE Radio Sunday 2:30 PM!

During our pro-2A demonstration at the Supreme Court last Monday, before and during oral argument in this case, we were interviewed by Tom Gresham of GUN TALK LIVE for his Facebook Live broadcast.

We talked about the role that MARYLAND SHOOTERS and PATRIOT PICKET played in leading the demonstration.

Tom also invited PATRIOT PICKET spokesman Paul Brockman to be his guest on his Sunday GUN TALK LIVE Radio broadcast tomorrow, Sunday December 8, at 2:30 PM.

Tom’s show airs every Sunday from 2 - 5 PM (Eastern) here:

https://guntalk.com/

“GUN TALK is the original national radio show about guns and the shooting sports.”

To see Tom’s earlier interview with us at the front steps of the Supreme Court last Monday morning, click here:

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=240348

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2551311961757619&id=35184886597&anchor_composer=false

press1280 · Dec 8, 2019

Kharn said:
I think Kagan is the most open minded, I like her conversation on Page 17 about carry vs transport. But I don't expect a vote from her.

Sotomayor just strikes me as a rude person.

I agree with that and it's one of the reasons why I didn't think this case would get cert in the first place. It's also something which could be used to peel Roberts toward mooting the case, although this wasn't mentioned by any other justice during orals.

Deep Lurker · Dec 8, 2019

Listening to GUN TALK LIVE now live-streaming online from this website:

Paul Brockman of PATRIOT PICKET scheduled at 2:30 PM to discuss the Supreme Court demonstration at NYSRPA oral argument last Monday.

https://talk1075.com/

Tom Gresham now interviewing Cam Edwards discussing the Second Amendment Sanctuary Movement.

Phil Van Cleave of VCDL also scheduled to be a guest today.

I believe this will archive as both a podcast and a YouTube video and/or audio file after the live show.

GUN TALK YouTube channel here:

https://m.youtube.com/user/GunTalkTV

fred55 · Dec 8, 2019

Just missed the interview; however, have been listening to the past 30 min of the streaming. It sounds like a great stream. Thanks for posting it, it is now in my bookmarks. I like learning something new every day https://www.mdshooters.com/images/smilies/party29.gif fred55

krucam · Dec 9, 2019

Nothing in today's Orders List, NYSRPA is still alive for now...

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120919zor_ihdj.pdf

danb · Dec 9, 2019

interesting.

motorcoachdoug · Dec 9, 2019

That was the first thing I did when got back home this morning around 10am was to log on and check the orders list from SCOTUS.I kept expecting to see an order saying the case was moot as I was scrolling all the way thru it to the end and to my surprise Nada nothing at all. I now wonder who is writing the opinion saying the case is moot and why it is.

danb · Dec 9, 2019

motorcoachdoug said:
That was the first thing I did when got back home this morning around 10am was to log on and check the orders list from SCOTUS.I kept expecting to see an order saying the case was moot as I was scrolling all the way thru it to the end and to my surprise Nada nothing at all. I now wonder who is writing the opinion saying the case is moot and why it is.

We dont know for sure that the case is moot. If the case were moot, I would expect some movement on the other cases being held.

Right now, no news is generally good news.

Kharn · Dec 9, 2019

The movement on the other cases, IMO, would be relisting them for conference. That happens on Mondays, and the dockets will be updated later today if it occurred.

danb · Dec 9, 2019

yeah, we'll see if they relist some later today.

If not... the longer we go without any news the more nervous the anti's are going to get. In that case, I foresee some herculean post-arguments maneuvers like in the census case, to sway Roberts. If a trick works once people do it again and again, and Roberts is clearly swayed by post-merits media coverage.

Kharn · Dec 9, 2019

Bingo. If the Court does not say it is moot on the 13th or 16th, above the fold of the Washington Post will be a full-color picture of the Baltimore homicide whiteboard. Below the fold will be mothers crying about their children who were at Maryland House trying to buy a sandwich, but encountered someone from NYC who was transporting a pistol to a vacation home.

krucam · Dec 9, 2019

Below is my favorite go-to list for the active #2A cases at SCOTUS.

https://comm2a.org/ot2019/

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