How much would you pay?

Bikebreath · Dec 2, 2019

How much would I pay to have the rights I was born with? Shouldn't I be saying that I'd pay with my life?

I will pay a reasonable price to process my application, but other than that, eh.

grimnar15 · Dec 2, 2019

CaptPrice said:
Just wondering how much y’all would be willing to pay for a CCL in Maryland.

Granted, I personally believe that having to get a dang license to adequately protect oneself in the first place is a violation of individual liberties, but here we are so it’s at least worth discussing.

If it were presented to the state in such a way like the casinos... ie “charge X amount for each license, and the full amount goes to state education funding,” (or choose your pick for the revenue destination) ... could that be a way to negotiate?

There’s already people willing to pay the ATF for SBR and suppression, myself included. Why not this too? Has this been suggested or tried before?

I would want to know where the money goes.

rseymorejr · Dec 2, 2019

grimnar15 said:
I would want to know where the money goes.

In Maryland? 90% would be pissed away, stolen and mis-appropriated.

Mark75H · Dec 2, 2019

grimnar15 said:
I would want to know where the money goes.

Where the money goes in MD is so corrupted you can count on it going - some place else, no matter where its supposed to go. The casino money isn't getting to the schools and the gas tax money hasn't gone to roads since Glendenning stole it for the UM.

welder516 · Dec 2, 2019

Bikebreath said:
How much would I pay to have the rights I was born with? Shouldn't I be saying that I'd pay with my life?

I will pay a reasonable price to process my application, but other than that, eh.

When you are born you are given a state birth certificate and also a federal social security number soon after .

We are Government property at birth and soon after all your papers come in .

From "Womb to Tomb"

RuralRifleGuy · Dec 2, 2019

$20-25 a year, there's no way MD would go for a multi-year permit for a low price, I'd rather pay a small amount yearly and make them take the time to print and mail a new card. I should be able to upload a photo fill out some very basic information, most of which they can just pull off the info stored for 77r forms, pay the fee, and have the card within a week without restrictions.

That's never going to happen though short of a supreme court ruling.

Bikebreath · Dec 2, 2019

welder516 said:
When you are born you are given a state birth certificate and also a federal social security number soon after .

We are Government property at birth and soon after all your papers come in .

From "Womb to Tomb"

You wash your mouth out with soap, young man!

I am a free man, except for the countless chains of tyranny. :sad20:

Don H · Dec 2, 2019

Nothing. Why should I pay anything for a CCL? I don't pay for a voter's registration card.
I also won't pay for a HQL. The Communist State of Maryland may have the power to infringe on my rights but I don't have to help them.

DivingDriver · Dec 2, 2019

Son of a gun. Didn't they get rid of a poll tax down south that would be similar to what your proposing? I shouldn't have to pay one cent to exercise my God given right. The slippery slope begins with compromising our 2A rights.

dist1646 · Dec 2, 2019

First and foremost, you can not negotiate with liberal democrats in Annapolis or anywhere else! They NEVER uphold their end of the bargain! How much? The line from the magnificent seven comes to mind, "We deal in lead friend." While that may sound a little extreme to some, ask yourself this; Why is it that when the liberal democrats in Annapolis pass legislation, they carve out exemptions for some groups? Shouldn't laws apply to all with equal force? If not, then tyranny exists! Eventually every tyrant/bully must be dealt with in such a fashion that they discontinue their acts. Giving the bully your lunch money only encourages the bully!

Steel Hunter · Dec 2, 2019

I'll gladly pay whatever the 1st and 3rd to 15th amendments cost to utilize. Except I'll stop before the 16th. That's one I pay way too much as a result of.

roadking · Dec 2, 2019

CaptPrice said:
charge X amount for each license, and the full amount goes to state education funding

Are you new to the state? This was the logic used to pass legalized slots, the legalized table games. The rubes of Maryland (and not just Dem voters) ate this hook, line and sinker. Guess where the money actually goes? Into the general fund. Even if it was ear-marked for education, the state would decrease the amount they put towards education by that same amount, for a net zero. Putting aside whether you should have to pay to exercise a Constitutional right for second, can you see why this wouldn’t work in practice? There’s always a back door...

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Bikebreath · Dec 2, 2019

roadking said:
Are you new to the state? This was the logic used to pass legalized slots, the legalized table games. The rubes of Maryland (and not just Dem voters) ate this hook, line and sinker. Guess where the money actually goes? Into the general fund. Even if it was ear-marked for education, the state would decrease the amount they put towards education by that same amount, for a net zero. Putting aside whether you should have to pay to exercise a Constitutional right for second, can you see why this wouldn’t work in practice? There’s always a back door...

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Summary: Talk is cheap in Maryland.

Melnic · Dec 2, 2019

I"m willing to pay 10 cents per illegal gun possession crime conviction in the city of Baltimore per year.

Tungsten · Dec 2, 2019

I can't answer that question until I know exactly what I am paying for.

To clarify, I don't mean the right to CC. I mean what is the actual cost of whatever they are providing: a paper card? a background check? a website with information on legal aspects of CC?

Exactly what service are they providing?

Once I tally the value of all that up, then I will just compare and contrast that to the cost of costitutional carry (which costs nothing).

I'd be willing to pay the lesser of those two values.

TheBert · Dec 2, 2019

CaptPrice said:
Yes, as i stated, it is a violation of individual liberty to require a license for anything really. This definitely includes gun legislation. My question wasn’t whether or not it you’re happy with it. My question was if/how much you’d pay. Compromise is when both sides are equally unhappy.

Hunting licenses pay for a lot of natural resource/environmental goods and services. Why couldn’t this achieve the same goal? Our current political atmosphere is not willing to just hand over CCL’s. I’m just saying offer something of mutual benefit.

If it cost the same as an ATF stamp, that’d be $200. I did a quick search and according to a CBS news thing, gun ownership in Maryland is about 20%. Cut that in half (handgun vs long gun) and of about 6 million residents, that’d be about $120 million per year generated.

My math is just a rough ballpark but you get the picture. Allocate those hundreds of millions of dollars somewhere worthwhile and it’s a noteable argument, like casinos.

Again, I get that it’s ridiculous to have to pay for something that is a fundamental right, but we’re not facing sane, freedom-loving individuals in our state. The anti-gun lobby is powerful, but it’s about convincing moderates that it’s a good idea (not hardcore democrats). Nobody argues with money

I want all of my cake back! I don't want to trade away a piece at a time and not be left with any crumbs at all once the left has consumed my right out of existence.

TheBert · Dec 2, 2019

CaptPrice said:
And who knows, hypothetically, say they pass something like I am suggesting. What if crime rates go down? Gun violence down? Then you try and make the argument that it’s too expensive or something.

Crime and gun violence has gone down in political districts where there are no qualifiers for the keeping and bearing arms.

rbird7282 · Dec 3, 2019

CaptPrice said:
Yes, as i stated, it is a violation of individual liberty to require a license for anything really. This definitely includes gun legislation. My question wasn’t whether or not it you’re happy with it. My question was if/how much you’d pay. Compromise is when both sides are equally unhappy.

Hunting licenses pay for a lot of natural resource/environmental goods and services. Why couldn’t this achieve the same goal? Our current political atmosphere is not willing to just hand over CCL’s. I’m just saying offer something of mutual benefit.

If it cost the same as an ATF stamp, that’d be $200. I did a quick search and according to a CBS news thing, gun ownership in Maryland is about 20%. Cut that in half (handgun vs long gun) and of about 6 million residents, that’d be about $120 million per year generated.

My math is just a rough ballpark but you get the picture. Allocate those hundreds of millions of dollars somewhere worthwhile and it’s a noteable argument, like casinos.

Again, I get that it’s ridiculous to have to pay for something that is a fundamental right, but we’re not facing sane, freedom-loving individuals in our state. The anti-gun lobby is powerful, but it’s about convincing moderates that it’s a good idea (not hardcore democrats). Nobody argues with money

No, just no. The state doesn’t care about money from permits or gun sales. When they passed FSA2013, they did not care one bit about losing tax/business revenue from Beretta and their several hundred employees. They don’t care.
One more thing, the Left doesn’t compromise, neither should we.

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Postell · Dec 3, 2019

CrazySanMan said:
I recently paid $35 to renew my CO permit for another 5 years.

Changes for Indianas carry permits net year...

The legislation eliminates the fee for a five year license, as of 30 June, 2020. The current fee is $40. The application fee for a lifetime license will be reduced from $175 to $125, or $100, if the applicant has a valid Indiana handgun license. Licenses restricted to target shooting or hunting have also had their fees reduced. It appears the current $9.99 fee for fingerprinting may be eliminated.

And with the 5 years license you bypass the NICS check at FFL's.
Fill out your 4473 Federal Form and walk out the door...

RoadDawg · Dec 3, 2019

Thousands of American soldiers have paid with life limb for our rights as enumerated in the text of the COTUS. I will gladly pay homage to them for their sacrifice and consider, any debt for the right to KABA, paid in full.

The state can ask me to reimburse them for the cost of producing any photo ID that they wish to issue in recognition of the fact that I am not prohibited.

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