Business owners vs non business owners

brucaru · Aug 7, 2019

Is there any data or any means to obtain the data that would show how many times a business owner with a CC permit hand a crime perpetrated upon them regardless of the outcome. Then compare that data to the number of citizens without a CC permit who had a crime perpetrated upon them. I’m trying to see the MSP’s logic as to why business owners are more likely to be victims of crime vs non business owners.
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Ammo Jon · Aug 7, 2019

brucaru said:
Is there any data or any means to obtain the data that would show how many times a business owner with a CC permit hand a crime perpetrated upon them regardless of the outcome. Then compare that data to the number of citizens without a CC permit who had a crime perpetrated upon them. I’m trying to see the MSP’s logic as to why business owners are more likely to be victims of crime vs non business owners.
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It’s because we make money for them through additional taxes. If we’re dead they stop making money off us. Their pimp hand is strong.

welder516 · Aug 7, 2019

I know of one business owner that was murdered years ago by an ex-employee , they knew he carried cash . I have been threatened , but the police claimed it did not rise to the level of a police report or any further investigation . I am sure they would have investigated my murder but not 100% sure .. :innocent0

brucaru · Aug 7, 2019

I’m not discounting that business owners should be issued a permit. I’m not dismissing the importance of the business owner right to carry. I’m trying to collect the data as to the number of times a business owne’s life was in jeopardy vs the “average” citizen. I know this is Maryland but could any of this information help a non business owner get a CC permit

welder516 · Aug 7, 2019

brucaru said:
I’m not discounting that business owners should be issued a permit. I’m not dismissing the importance of the business owner right to carry. I’m trying to collect the data as to the number of times a business owne’s life was in jeopardy vs the “average” citizen. I know this is Maryland but could any of this information help a non business owner get a CC permit

I understand the fight and sympathetic to it , hopefully soon the courts will force Maryland to do what it is suppose to do in the first place .

To be honest I never thought in my lifetime Wash. DC would fall .

I don't know where you would find data of that nature , but good luck and I wish you well in the search .

Justin ta guns · Aug 7, 2019

I read this earlier today has some interesting numbers in it, also the author of the story now lives in md and was denied in 2001 it’s a good read.Also this is my first post

https://www.gunpowdermagazine.com/m...oLX63YrT-bXdeE7Zyuto_4PXx9gC7SDgXWlLqQvPa5Fu0

Stoveman · Aug 7, 2019

Justin ta guns said:
I read this earlier today has some interesting numbers in it, also the author of the story now lives in md and was denied in 2001 it’s a good read.Also this is my first post

https://www.gunpowdermagazine.com/m...oLX63YrT-bXdeE7Zyuto_4PXx9gC7SDgXWlLqQvPa5Fu0

Interesting read, good timeline of recent court cases. I've got to ask the question, isn't this guy an author and don't authors get paid for their work? Sounds like he is a biz owner.

phelanx · Aug 7, 2019

Based on the criteria in the application and lines of questioning, their motivation is purely monetarily driven... maybe. (1) 6+ recent deposit slips, (2) 3+ months of bank statements, (3) 10+ receipts or invoices for business-related property, and (4) copies of documentation proving you're actually a business. Certainly looks like it is money, right? Well, I suppose my other overly general and likely ignorant take is that they had to find a way to create a small class of "responsible people" and ran with "business owners".

Occam · Aug 7, 2019

phelanx said:
Based on the criteria in the application and lines of questioning, their motivation is purely monetarily driven... maybe. (1) 6+ recent deposit slips, (2) 3+ months of bank statements, (3) 10+ receipts or invoices for business-related property, and (4) copies of documentation proving you're actually a business. Certainly looks like it is money, right? Well, I suppose my other overly general and likely ignorant take is that they had to find a way to create a small class of "responsible people" and ran with "business owners".

Those things are intended to demonstrate that the business is more than just a prop, that it’s actually doing some tangible business.

A lot of this is inertia from back when it was more about the assumed risk of routinely handling lots of cash (night deposits after you close the liquor store, that sort of thing). It morphed over time to business owners generally. Which is definitely an unfair standard, but it is what it is (for now - go MSI!).

Hit and Run · Aug 7, 2019

brucaru said:
Is there any data or any means to obtain the data that would show how many times a business owner with a CC permit hand a crime perpetrated upon them regardless of the outcome. Then compare that data to the number of citizens without a CC permit who had a crime perpetrated upon them. I’m trying to see the MSP’s logic as to why business owners are more likely to be victims of crime vs non business owners.

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Data, logic? This is Maryland and gun laws....

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miles71 · Aug 8, 2019

This is my big concern. I know some who have provided very little business info and others who have had to provide ALOT of information. No rhyme or reason why. I wonder what measure they will use to decide if your business is business-y enough

TD

rbird7282 · Aug 8, 2019

brucaru said:
I’m not discounting that business owners should be issued a permit. I’m not dismissing the importance of the business owner right to carry. I’m trying to collect the data as to the number of times a business owne’s life was in jeopardy vs the “average” citizen. I know this is Maryland but could any of this information help a non business owner get a CC permit

Probably far less for business owners. The number of people who do not own a business and work for someone else FAR outweighs those who own their own business.
If you are strictly speaking of a 1v1 comparison, then I would probably say the business owner. However much of that depends upon where the individual lives, works, etc.
Some people are at a much greater risk simply because of their geographical location. Looking at you Baltimore.....

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Hit and Run · Aug 8, 2019

miles71 said:
This is my big concern. I know some who have provided very little business info and others who have had to provide ALOT of information. No rhyme or reason why. I wonder what measure they will use to decide if your business is business-y enough

TD

Guessing you would need applicable business licences in this very regulated state to even have gotten a restricted one with "good and substantial " reason.

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Stoveman · Aug 8, 2019

Hit and Run said:
Guessing you would need applicable business licences in this very regulated state to even have gotten a restricted one with "good and substantial " reason.

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I don't have a business license.

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Boondock Saint · Aug 8, 2019

I think I want to own my own business now...

Boxcab · Aug 8, 2019

Boondock,

We'll each set up a business that deposits and writes checks to each other. You write me a $100 check, I deposit and then write you a $100 check. You deposit and the cycle is repeated on a weekly basis. In a few months we'll have proof of money handling and the need for an unrestricted CL.

:thumbsup:

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DutchV · Aug 8, 2019

Boxcab said:
Boondock,

We'll each set up a business that deposits and writes checks to each other. You write me a $100 check, I deposit and then write you a $100 check. You deposit and the cycle is repeated on a weekly basis. In a few months we'll have proof of money handling and the need for an unrestricted CL.

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I like the idea. How do you avoid paying taxes on the cash?

Ammo Jon · Aug 8, 2019

DutchV said:
I like the idea. How do you avoid paying taxes on the cash?

Set up a sole proprietorship and sell to yourself. Sales don’t need to be a certain amount. $20 is still a sale.

MindTheGAP · Aug 8, 2019

This is some next level legal gymnastics and I'm all for it. Where do I sign up for the $100 check swap business?

Pale Ryder · Aug 8, 2019

Why would the cc aspect be needed? You want armed robbery reports for all businesses vs AR reports for Joe average citizen. I think it will show the business owner has more risk.

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