Clearance letter format

kehvN · Aug 15, 2019

Stoveman said:
Not any more. The new language is while employed as a contractor or DOD. Paraphrasing a little bit but it is not tied to a specific employer and allows one to change employment without having to get a permit modification.

Ok awesome! Good to know. Thanks y'all!

justindavidson · Oct 8, 2019

Updated SOP

For your reading enjoyment. Helped my back in 2017 before the Federal Employee. I used the Assumed Risk position as a Active Military member, OPM hack, Isis threat etc...

This addition will make it easier for renewal.

motorcoachdoug · Oct 9, 2019

Correct me If I am wrong but wasnt their a case a few yeas ago where a MD SPO sued MSP in court and won for a ccw to carry off duty? MSP said he was not a police officer and the court said he was and could carry off duty and ordered MSP to ISSUE a CCW and yet the new SOP put out by MSP goes against that court ruling as well.

#12 Special Police Officer. Between residence and (or) armed,(name of agency job assignment or property)only,and while actively engaged as a Special Police Officer for same (ON DUTY IN MD ONLY) (Not VALID where firearms are prohibited by law.)

Biggfoot44 · Oct 9, 2019

The above language is the default for SPO ( or Armed Security, or Private Investigator [ which is different from Private Detective in Md] ). For an unrestricted , they would have to show specific documented threats , similar to anyone else .

Perhaps you were thinking of Virginia's Special Conservator of the Peace status . That has been recognized as LEO , and subject to LEOSA . Likewise for Pennsylvania Constables .

onedash · Oct 9, 2019

I just submitted letter from my security manager with all pertinent info included. Don't know if it's good enough yet.

TOP SECRET eligibility determination by DOD CAF on 09/09/2013
PPR investigation by OPM closed on 10/10/2013
CAGE: ABCDEFG

Allen65 · Oct 9, 2019

onedash said:
I just submitted letter from my security manager with all pertinent info included. Don't know if it's good enough yet.

TOP SECRET eligibility determination by DOD CAF on 09/09/2013
PPR investigation by OPM closed on 10/10/2013
CAGE: ABCDEFG

I could see MSP being passive-aggressive and not accepting eligibility, instead requiring documentary evidence of actual indoc.

AverageGuy · Oct 12, 2019

onedash said:
I just submitted letter from my security manager with all pertinent info included. Don't know if it's good enough yet.

TOP SECRET eligibility determination by DOD CAF on 09/09/2013
PPR investigation by OPM closed on 10/10/2013
CAGE: ABCDEFG

It will need to state that it’s still active and you have reoccurring access to classified materials.

KJackson · Oct 12, 2019

I am not trying to be stupid, and I am sure that this has probably been covered before, but how is daily access to classified materials G&S? I could see if someone was involved in the transport of them.

Mack C-85 · Oct 13, 2019

KJackson said:
I am not trying to be stupid, and I am sure that this has probably been covered before, but how is daily access to classified materials G&S? I could see if someone was involved in the transport of them.

Hummm...when I had access (I'm retired) nobody ever pulled out a black pen looking thing and cleared my memory before I left work every day (at least I don't think so, since I remembered seeing it before when I went back the next day).

I have a lifetime obligation to protect the information I had access to for over 35 years.

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KJackson · Oct 13, 2019

Mack C-85 said:
Hummm...when I had access (I'm retired) nobody ever pulled out a black pen looking thing and cleared my memory before I left work every day (at least I don't think so, since I remembered seeing it before when I went back the next day).

I have a lifetime obligation to protect the information I had access to for over 35 years.

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I understand that and if I were to ever decide to go CCW, I would probably go that route, but I am trying to understand what the perceived threat is. Are people concerned that they will be approached by someone demanding classified information and threatened with physical harm if they do not comply?

Mack C-85 · Oct 13, 2019

KJackson said:
I understand that and if I were to ever decide to go CCW, I would probably go that route, but I am trying to understand what the perceived threat is. Are people concerned that they will be approached by someone demanding classified information and threatened with physical harm if they do not comply?

Ah, it's happened. Not that it's all that advertised, but yes, it's out there, and for those who had their entire lives released in the OPM breach, probably a slightly higher probability.

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KJackson · Oct 13, 2019

Mack C-85 said:
Ah, it's happened. Not that it's all that advertised, but yes, it's out there, and for those who had their entire lives released in the OPM breach, probably a slightly higher probability.

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Okay, thanks. I fall into both of these categories, so like I said, I will definitely use it to my advantage if I go the concealed carry route. I just want to be able to articulate the proper concerns if asked.

BeoBill · Oct 13, 2019

Mack C-85 said:
Hummm...when I had access (I'm retired) nobody ever pulled out a black pen looking thing and cleared my memory before I left work every day (at least I don't think so, since I remembered seeing it before when I went back the next day).

I have a lifetime obligation to protect the information I had access to for over 35 years.

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Same here.

I was an exception as I worked nukes on A and B sides in DoD (customer); then worked oversight of the DOE Production Complex for a time. Then the time in the Pentagon, with more compartments than you could shake a stick at. And two, count 'em, two OPM letters. Does it count for MSP LD? Naaaah, "we can't hit it with a stick..."

Mack C-85 · Oct 13, 2019

BeoBill said:
Same here.

I was an exception as I worked nukes on A and B sides in DoD (customer); then worked oversight of the DOE Production Complex for a time. Then the time in the Pentagon, with more compartments than you could shake a stick at. And two, count 'em, two OPM letters. Does it count for MSP LD? Naaaah, "we can't hit it with a stick..."

Yeap, consistentcy is the hallmark of the MSP LD. I knew several people that tried this approach and the results pretty much confirm MSP LD's use of a coin flip.

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SWO Daddy · Oct 13, 2019

AverageGuy said:
Active TS or above, reoccurring/ daily access, OPM breach info., although never mentioned during interview. Keep G&S short.

Example: Active TS clearance with [agency/department], victim of OPM breach, daily access to classified information within [geographical location (e.g., Ft. Meade)].

Provide OPM letter and references. If you can get the FSO to be a reference it’ll move faster. FSO will need to in-writing and verbally affirm access and level of clearance. Your supervisor will also need to concur. MSP will provide instructions on format.

Seems all kind of screwed up that a state agency is asking for this type of information.

Matlack · Oct 13, 2019

Mack C-85 said:
Yeap, consistentcy is the hallmark of the MSP LD. I knew several people that tried this approach and the results pretty much confirm MSP LD's use of a coin flip.

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I know several also. It all depended on who was doing the review. Those denied went before the board and got approved.

AverageGuy · Oct 21, 2019

SWO Daddy said:
Seems all kind of screwed up that a state agency is asking for this type of information.

Agreed, but considering the amount of people I routinely catch walking around with IC badges or CAC IDs in public, no one cares. From my discussion with the investigator that information doesn’t go anywhere and is exempt from a FOIA request. And at this point the Chinese already have my information so MSP doesn’t bother me.

Ghost40 · Oct 30, 2019

I'm curious what those of you used as proof of TC clearance?

I know my company wouldn't give me anything stating it as it's against their BBPs.

Thunder239 · Oct 31, 2019

Same situation here...my CSO can only verify clearance for official business. I can get employment verification from HR but doesn’t include clearance. Called the LD and the woman said not to worry it will be assigned to a trooper to investigate....famous last words! two-weeks into application acceptance so still have a long way to go. I can prove the TS requirement with a job posting, which is on the web so nothing classified. I DON’T TRUST THIS STATE!

Ghost40 · Oct 31, 2019

I reached out to my FSO and she said that my company did it for another person and she will get me a letter. Which surprised me. Still waiting on the letter though :/

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