BREAKING: Federal Lawsuit Filed Challenging Trump Bump-Stock Ban; Injunction Sought

DivingDriver · Mar 13, 2019

I'm a little lost here. According to what I'm reading they all say the same thing. A single pull of the trigger. Even with the"bump stock"you only get one shot every time your finger pulls the trigger. It might arguably be faster using a bump stock but it's still only one pull of the trigger. I know I'm not the brightest bulb around but would appreciate if someone could explain how an accessory to a firearm then makes that said firearm a prohibited item. Fully automatic, far from it.

FrankZ · Mar 13, 2019

DivingDriver said:
I'm a little lost here. According to what I'm reading they all say the same thing. A single pull of the trigger. Even with the"bump stock"you only get one shot every time your finger pulls the trigger. It might arguably be faster using a bump stock but it's still only one pull of the trigger. I know I'm not the brightest bulb around but would appreciate if someone could explain how an accessory to a firearm then makes that said firearm a prohibited item. Fully automatic, far from it.

Bump stocks increase the lethality of child death killing machines of war.

So there... :rolleyes:

danb · Mar 13, 2019

ATF: we cannot define machine gun, but we know it when we see it. Or, not. Oh wait, yes. I am not sure how it helps their case to go over all the ways they mis/re interpreted various words in the statute to suit their needs.

ironpony · Mar 13, 2019

Yup, they already have their inch so ...

HaveBlue · Mar 13, 2019

Anyone know what the basis is for the governments assertion that a bump stock was used in Las Vegas?

Should the government be required to provide an official report or supporting evidence for something so crucial to their case?

ShafTed · Mar 14, 2019

Las Vegas is irrelevant, except that it brought bump stocks into the limelight. I think it is incontrovertible that there was at least one bump stock present in that hotel room, therefore "presumed guilty" for all bump stocks.

Every reason given in their rationalization is completely false. They can ban anything they want to, for no reason at all, but, damn it, call them out on their lies on this and make them admit they are banning it just because they want to.

GTOGUNNER · Mar 14, 2019

The slippery slope is Semi Autos as a whole. Imagine, using excess energy to cycle an action faster. This is more than a foot in the door.

BlueHeeler · Mar 14, 2019

DivingDriver said:
I'm a little lost here. According to what I'm reading they all say the same thing. A single pull of the trigger. Even with the"bump stock"you only get one shot every time your finger pulls the trigger. It might arguably be faster using a bump stock but it's still only one pull of the trigger. I know I'm not the brightest bulb around but would appreciate if someone could explain how an accessory to a firearm then makes that said firearm a prohibited item. Fully automatic, far from it.

It takes some mental gymnastics, but I believe they are claiming the bumpstock allows the bullet to be fired by the gun trigger pressing against the finger rather than the finger pressing against the trigger.

The finger can be stationary while the gun moves, so it is a machine gun.

Not_an_outlaw · Mar 14, 2019

BlueHeeler said:
It takes some mental gymnastics, but I believe they are claiming the bumpstock allows the bullet to be fired by the gun trigger pressing against the finger rather than the finger pressing against the trigger.

The finger can be stationary while the gun moves, so it is a machine gun.

There goes that finger. Cut it off and turn it in. Now the semi-auto foot in door as described above.

I still don't know what a bumpstock is. Seems like the definition is kind of open.

ironpony · Mar 14, 2019

Bump stock law could lead to various other firearm actions being put into the limelight. Hold on to your butts.

11 more days.

wolfwood · Mar 14, 2019

We are working on the reply right now.

ironpony · Mar 14, 2019

I’m sure you know everything you do is much appreciated wolfwood. Thanks

atblis · Mar 14, 2019

BlueHeeler said:
It takes some mental gymnastics, but I believe they are claiming the bumpstock allows the bullet to be fired by the gun trigger pressing against the finger rather than the finger pressing against the trigger.

The finger can be stationary while the gun moves, so it is a machine gun.

Interesting. I wonder if ones finger is actually stationary. Make them commit to that and then...

wolfwood · Mar 14, 2019

ironpony said:
I’m sure you know everything you do is much appreciated wolfwood. Thanks

Thank hopefully I can meet you at the lunch afterwards.

This is going to be a lot of fun

fidelity · Mar 20, 2019

So is there destruction date still sometime next week, or is it on hold because of court proceedings?

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Bob A · Mar 20, 2019

fidelity said:
So is there destruction date still sometime next week, or is it on hold because of court proceedings?

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SSS, and wait on the pleasure of the Court.

jcutonilli · Mar 20, 2019

fidelity said:
So is there destruction date still sometime next week, or is it on hold because of court proceedings?

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The effective date of the new regulation is Tuesday March 26th, although that may not be the effective date given that the acting attorney general may not have been lawfully appointed. While the new attorney general did approve the new regulation, the effective date may change because if it.

No court to my knowledge has put this date on hold. The DC courts have all denied any preliminary injunction that addresses this issue. The 6th circuit has not issued any ruling as of yesterday.

see https://gunowners.org/alert31919/ for an update on the 6th circuit case.

ironpony · Mar 20, 2019

6 more days. Ugh.

fidelity · Mar 20, 2019

Thanks, jcutonilli.

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wolfwood · Mar 21, 2019

I am on the red eye to d c

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