Biggfoot44
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Wait another sec . The NSSA ( the Skeet Shooters, not the Civil War reenactors ) is trying to undercut FITASC ? FITASC Invented Sporting Clays decades before anyone in US even heard of it .
Wait another sec . The NSSA ( the Skeet Shooters, not the Civil War reenactors ) is trying to undercut FITASC ? FITASC Invented Sporting Clays decades before anyone in US even heard of it .
Is that the current rule book?
I just pulled this off of page 44 from the NSCA website.
. Shotgun Mount & Position—The shooter may start with a low gun or a pre-mounted gun when calling for the target.
http://nssa-nsca.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2019-Rule-Book-ONLINE-Version.pdf
Your citation was for FITASC. The gun has to be unmounted for FITASC. Also max of 1 ounce loads.
Wait another sec . The NSSA ( the Skeet Shooters, not the Civil War reenactors ) is trying to undercut FITASC ? FITASC Invented Sporting Clays decades before anyone in US even heard of it .
I imagine the top shooters are also sponsored. You think the manufacturers have any say in what they are to shoot?
Back in the 80's, some cyclists that were sponsored by certain manufacturers, like Greg Lemond being sponsored by Huffy, would just put the sponsor's stickers on better equipment. Lemond road a Look frame with Huffy stickers on it. Same goes for some wheels that the pros were using. Pretty comical.
I watched a program several years ago about one of the top sporting clays shooters and he used several different techniques based upon how the target was presented. Sustained lead on the further targets, swing through on the closer ones.
What are all the different techniques:
Swing Through
Sustained Lead
Pull Away
Spot Shoot
I know I am missing some. What are they? Once upon a time, I knew them all even though I did not use them all. Cannot ever remember spot shooting unless I was so screwed up I was just pulling the trigger and praying the bird and the shot met up at some point.
Sold all my other guns and stick to those three. Took a while to get to what I liked, but I am there so no new guns in my future (probably ever). No gun envy. How boring is that.
This is not new as it happens in the action shooting sports also. Max Michel doesn't really shoot a Sig 1911. He shoots a single stack STI lower and guts with a slide cut and machined to be an exact copy of the Sig 1911 slide. Probably even came out of the Sig Sauer Custom Shop.
You can absolutely shoot pre mounted in sporting. I shoot NSCA tournaments all over the mid atlantic and see it all over the place. Use it myself on trap style presentations. FITASC you absolutely cannot.
I know someone who shot the 2018 NE Regionals about 90% pre-mounted. That individual went on win A class with a 171, defeating 60 other competitors in his class. This particular shooter won 1st place back to class, took an additional $120 in high gun in class option making for a ~$1,400 dollar weekend.
Anything from quartering inward should ABSOLUTELY be called for while pre-mounted. The less gun movement the better when a target is doing nothing but getting further away from you.
I am the contrarian; 30" barrels and a Browning.
.....since '93, on all three counts!!!#I am the contrarian; 30" barrels and a Browning.
I am the contrarian; 30" barrels and a Browning.
The physics hasn’t changed but the style of shooting has. The top shots aren’t shooting swing through like they did back then. They’re shooting sustained lead. Using a sustained lead method the speed of the swing is a lot slower. The longer barrels lend themselves to this style of shooting. Show me someone that is winning a top shoot in any discipline (including the International varieties) with a pump gun or a side by side or a 26” barrel. Ken Barnes shot the first 400 straight in Skeet with 4 pump guns in 1968. Would anyone recommend a shooter try to win a top shoot with 4 pump guns nowadays? Of course not. Imagine a golfer trying to win a tournament with clubs from the 60’s and 70’s. He wouldn’t have a chance in hell. If you’re wanting to do get to the top of the podium in the shotgun sports you can either piggy back on what the top shots are using or you can disregard all of their vast knowledge and expertise and chart your own path to the top by shooting a 26” side by side. If you are just going to shoot some clays a couple times a year or month at your local club it doesn’t really matter what you shoot. Just be forewarned that when it comes time to sell the gun in the configuration that no one wants it’s going to be harder to find a buyer.
Hmmm, interesting. When I was shooting a lot of trap back in the 80's, I thought that most of the top shots were using sustained lead. Was this something that changed and now has come full circle?
FYI, I have always been a swing through person as I feel it works better for me in actual field conditions. So I just carried it over to ATA Trap. Back then, I shot singles using a 34" BT 99, but did all my hunting with various field guns 26 - 28". Short and light works well on quick acquisition and snap shooting in the field. However, I did acquire a Guerini a few years back. It is a Magnus Light with 30" barrels. The suckiest thing about switching from my BT to field guns is that I had to definitely float the bird over the BT 99 front sight whereas I had to nearly blot the target in the field.
I'm a little mix of sustained and applied lead. If you're "behind" the target at any point you are probably in trouble.