NRA Sells us out again?

Cap · Jul 1, 2020

While the NRA verbalizes gun rights they have not been there when issues are on the line. Remember Virginia? Virginia recently passed some legislation that was only mitigated by grass roots efforts, you tube videos, and word of mouth. The NRA was virtually silent...... Until they clean house they are probably reluctant to say anything due to the fallout they will receive. They are only as strong as their weakest link and they have several weak links. Additionally, they have used my membership money on postage asking me to rejoin throughout the year long before my membership was up.......and they still send membership info despite the fact that I asked them not to.

MJD438 · Jul 1, 2020

Doug Hile said:
Have No idea if this is true,, but,, with all their posturing about protecting the 2A, the NRA has, none the less, allowed Maryland libtards to eliminate the Second Amendment, under a mountain of INFRINGEMENTS.

None of the 2A groups "allowed" the progressive super majority to do anything. We get the government we deserve; blame your fellow voting citizens for the shit show that is the MGA. The NRA has sent representation to the MGA on multiple occasions... that representation was as soundly ignored as me (both as an individual and lobbyist) and every other 2A supporting citizen that attempts to testify in front of openly hostile people.

Until those eligible to vote actually want change, this is the status quo.

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Bisleyfan44 · Jul 1, 2020

Ilexopaca said:
If one's goal is to secure their 2-A rights a strategy based on the idea of maintaining a perpetual, uninterrupted stream of conservative presidents and justices seems foolhardy.

What has worked for the majority of our history is the overwhelming consensus among ordinary Americans that we all have the right to bear arms.

Yet many gun owner's thinking is still informed by the NRA's stoking of paranoia in order to line their pockets. A paranoia that also leads people to proactively undermine or skirt laws with devices such as 80% lowers and bump stocks. Which in turn stokes paranoia among non-gun owners who can see this law skirting for what it is.

It is self-defeating. Paranoid, armed, law-breakers are perceived as bad guys in the eyes of most ordinary Americans. They are only "good guys with guns" in the eyes of a minority of Americans. Not only is the NRA totally, irretrievably corrupt but they have completely failed in their stated mission.

Long-term it's the voters that matter, not politicians or judges.

A simple rebranding will not solve this problem. It's time to garner consensus and put support behind a single alternative organization with an effective long-term strategy to ensure that a majority of ordinary Americans continue to value their 2A rights.

The fact of the matter is that collectively, we, the members of this forum, I'm guessing - are pretty much armed to the teeth. Not because of the NRA but in spite of it. It's time to let go of all the NRA's ******** tactics of fear-mongering. Cool heads will prevail - don't get your panties all tied up in knots.

Thank you for your post :thumbsup:

MJD438 said:
None of the 2A groups "allowed" the progressive super majority to do anything. We get the government we deserve; blame your fellow voting citizens for the shit show that is the MGA. The NRA has sent representation to the MGA on multiple occasions... that representation was as soundly ignored as me (both as an individual and lobbyist) and every other 2A supporting citizen that attempts to testify in front of openly hostile people.

Until those eligible to vote actually want change, this is the status quo.

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Yep!

rambling_one · Jul 1, 2020

NRA-ILA Maryland representative Shannon Alford worked tirelessly to preserve our 2A right. Just saying.

Dave M · Jul 4, 2020

Interesting and informative. Thats what I like about this board. Happy Independence day all.

Bob A · Jul 5, 2020

rambling_one said:
NRA-ILA Maryland representative Shannon Alford worked tirelessly to preserve our 2A right. Just saying.

Yes she did.

Sadly, she quit after the peaceful SJWs threats against her and her family became too frightening.

Apparently their lives don't matter. No marches no riots and I'm not aware of any prosecutions.

esqappellate · Jul 14, 2020

MJD438 said:
None of the 2A groups "allowed" the progressive super majority to do anything. We get the government we deserve; blame your fellow voting citizens for the shit show that is the MGA. The NRA has sent representation to the MGA on multiple occasions... that representation was as soundly ignored as me (both as an individual and lobbyist) and every other 2A supporting citizen that attempts to testify in front of openly hostile people.

Until those eligible to vote actually want change, this is the status quo.

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All I can say is "amen" to this. The NRA has been there. MSI has been there. The MSRPA has been there. All three of these organizations have sued in court (and spent a ton of time and money doing so). We haven't sat on our thumbs. We have collectively stopped a ton of bad stuff. But the super majority gets its way. Won't change until the grabbers start to lose in elections. Want to help? Then get to know your legislator, show up at hearings and testify. Join and help financially. Do *something.* The suggestion that we have "allowed" anything is beyond unjustified.

Wheaton Hills Sportsman · Jul 20, 2020

Let's face it, the NRA's main political weapon is the organization of votes and voters, none of our foes every talk of their fear of the Second Amendment Foundation or the Gun Owners of America, there is just one organization that makes Bloomberg, Gifford, Brady and their minions shiver, the NRA. So give to the political victory fund or, if putting your money where your mouth is is too darn hard for you, you should at least vote for the candidates they endorse, or the best rated one. In Maryland a D rating may be as good as we will get. You may want to assist Virginians in their struggle to same some fragments of freedom.

Only votes win elections, only the NRA has the reach to enough votes to win elections. They don't promise we will win, just that we can give it the best shot we can have at the ballot box.

Doug Hile · Jul 21, 2020

The NRA, for all it's rhetoric, posturing, all it's lawyers, and it's prodigious fund raising skills, has allowed Md to INFRINGE the Second Amendment out of existence. From what I see, they have accomplished NOTHING. If any restoration is going to be had, WE have to do it. WE have to vote for the people who will champion the Constitution, and the Second Amendment. WE,,, The People.

MDFF2008 · Jul 22, 2020

Something I learned a long time ago.

It is true the NRA has limited effectiveness in Maryland. A big part of this is the simple reality that an "F" from the NRA to many in the Maryland General Assembly is a badge of honor. There's only so much you can do when the law makers and the people who elect them celebrate getting a failing grade.

That said, in other parts of the country, a bad grade from the NRA can sink a candidate so in those places the NRA has considerable power and through those Senators and Representatives, the NRA can project power.

The NRA's house is def a train wreck, but there is no other organization with as much clout or power as the NRA, so I really think 2A people should be very careful. Politicians want to hold on to power, and will cling to the organizations that can ensure they stay in power. We don't want a power vaccum that allows a group like AnyTown to become the authority on gun politics.

BeoBill · Jul 22, 2020

MJD438 said:
None of the 2A groups "allowed" the progressive super majority to do anything. We get the government we deserve; blame your fellow voting citizens for the shit show that is the MGA. The NRA has sent representation to the MGA on multiple occasions... that representation was as soundly ignored as me (both as an individual and lobbyist) and every other 2A supporting citizen that attempts to testify in front of openly hostile people.

Until those eligible to vote actually want change, this is the status quo.

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All I can add is "year after year after year..."

BeoBill · Jul 22, 2020

rambling_one said:
NRA-ILA Maryland representative Shannon Alford worked tirelessly to preserve our 2A right. Just saying.

That poor lady beat her head against the wall for years on our behalf, but all she got for it was a headache. I'm glad she went to more fruitful endeavors.

We'll have to see how the new guy whatshisname works out. He stepped into a snake pit in flip flops.

BeoBill · Jul 22, 2020

esqappellate said:
All I can say is "amen" to this. The NRA has been there. MSI has been there. The MSRPA has been there. All three of these organizations have sued in court (and spent a ton of time and money doing so). We haven't sat on our thumbs. We have collectively stopped a ton of bad stuff. But the super majority gets its way. Won't change until the grabbers start to lose in elections. Want to help? Then get to know your legislator, show up at hearings and testify. Join and help financially. Do *something.* The suggestion that we have "allowed" anything is beyond unjustified.

Wheaton Hills Sportsman said:
Let's face it, the NRA's main political weapon is the organization of votes and voters, none of our foes every talk of their fear of the Second Amendment Foundation or the Gun Owners of America, there is just one organization that makes Bloomberg, Gifford, Brady and their minions shiver, the NRA. So give to the political victory fund or, if putting your money where your mouth is is too darn hard for you, you should at least vote for the candidates they endorse, or the best rated one. In Maryland a D rating may be as good as we will get. You may want to assist Virginians in their struggle to same some fragments of freedom.

Only votes win elections, only the NRA has the reach to enough votes to win elections. They don't promise we will win, just that we can give it the best shot we can have at the ballot box.

One of the biggest obstacles we face here is the dreaded "Unopposed Contest". I read, for example, that Steny (who runs unopposed every time) raised a BUNCH of money for his "campaign" this Fall. This is the norm at the Delegate and Senate levels. We need to identify and groom viable opposition to these lifers. You could get your cat elected to the MGA if it ran unopposed...

Art3 · Jul 22, 2020

BeoBill said:
That poor lady beat her head against the wall for years on our behalf, but all she got for it was a headache. I'm glad she went to more fruitful endeavors.

We'll have to see how the new guy whatshisname works out. He stepped into a snake pit in flip flops.

Dave Weber. MSI, MSRPA, etc. had to bring him up to speed on a few of the ~~stupider~~ finer points of MD law/history last session, but he was good. He actually redeemed a little bit of my faith in NRA...a little. I hope we keep him around for a while.

MJD438 · Jul 22, 2020

Art3 said:
Dave Weber. MSI, MSRPA, etc. had to bring him up to speed on a few of the ~~stupider~~ finer points of MD law/history last session, but he was good. He actually redeemed a little bit of my faith in NRA...a little. I hope we keep him around for a while.

Dave was one of the folks nailed by the multiple layoffs at NRA. He is no longer with the organization. We do have a new NRA-ILA rep, but I have not met him as of yet.

Art3 · Jul 22, 2020

MJD438 said:
Dave was one of the folks nailed by the multiple layoffs at NRA. He is no longer with the organization. We do have a new NRA-ILA rep, but I have not met him as of yet.

Well crap! :tdown:

Squaregrouper · Jul 22, 2020

The NRA got their last dollars from me in 2013. I have since put my (minimal dollars) and time/effort into supporting true pro 2A groups.
Flame away, but you're talking to a brick wall. The LaPierre club is dead to me.

Doug Hile · Jul 22, 2020

BeoBill said:
One of the biggest obstacles we face here is the dreaded "Unopposed Contest". I read, for example, that Steny (who runs unopposed every time) raised a BUNCH of money for his "campaign" this Fall. This is the norm at the Delegate and Senate levels. We need to identify and groom viable opposition to these lifers. You could get your cat elected to the MGA if it ran unopposed...

Steny is NOT unopposed THIS time,,, Chris Palombi is the man who is going to knock him out.

Doug Hile · Jul 22, 2020

MDFF2008 said:
Something I learned a long time ago.

It is true the NRA has limited effectiveness in Maryland. A big part of this is the simple reality that an "F" from the NRA to many in the Maryland General Assembly is a badge of honor. There's only so much you can do when the law makers and the people who elect them celebrate getting a failing grade.

That said, in other parts of the country, a bad grade from the NRA can sink a candidate so in those places the NRA has considerable power and through those Senators and Representatives, the NRA can project power.

The NRA's house is def a train wreck, but there is no other organization with as much clout or power as the NRA, so I really think 2A people should be very careful. Politicians want to hold on to power, and will cling to the organizations that can ensure they stay in power. We don't want a power vaccum that allows a group like AnyTown to become the authority on gun politics.

If the NRA, with it's army of high priced lawyers and almost unlimited funds, is using an A thru F grading system to influence people, I have to wonder, as do those who received the "F"s - - - WTF? Who GIVES a Crap?

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