HB910/SB958 Criminal Law - Untraceable Firearms

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  • MkVsTheWorld

    Member
    May 29, 2014
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    This is total crap. There is also no way to legitimize legally completed products either, even if you can legally buy handguns either. I really hope this bill keeps failing.


    Side note, since the bill text says "Person", this could potentially be bypassed with the ownership of a completed gun being a shell company. You could argue it was built by the shell company and your possession is due to you being the sole employee and thus not a "Person" the law applied to.
     

    lazarus

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    Jun 23, 2015
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    This is total crap. There is also no way to legitimize legally completed products either, even if you can legally buy handguns either. I really hope this bill keeps failing.


    Side note, since the bill text says "Person", this could potentially be bypassed with the ownership of a completed gun being a shell company. You could argue it was built by the shell company and your possession is due to you being the sole employee and thus not a "Person" the law applied to.

    That would be a crime. You, a person, May manufacture a firearm for your personal use. You may sell it later if that was not your intention when it was built. The shell company manufacturing it could not build it for you, or else they’d need an manufacturers FFL. Nor could the company build it for themselves with you being the sole employee.
     

    MkVsTheWorld

    Member
    May 29, 2014
    4
    That would be a crime. You, a person, May manufacture a firearm for your personal use. You may sell it later if that was not your intention when it was built. The shell company manufacturing it could not build it for you, or else they’d need an manufacturers FFL. Nor could the company build it for themselves with you being the sole employee.

    But, you don't need an FFL if the gun isn't changing ownership.
     

    Art3

    Eqinsu Ocha
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 30, 2015
    13,318
    Harford County
    This is total crap. There is also no way to legitimize legally completed products either, even if you can legally buy handguns either. I really hope this bill keeps failing.


    Side note, since the bill text says "Person", this could potentially be bypassed with the ownership of a completed gun being a shell company. You could argue it was built by the shell company and your possession is due to you being the sole employee and thus not a "Person" the law applied to.

    Do more than hope. Join the fight. Contact your reps. Come to Annapolis and testify if you can. Tell all of your friends, relatives, and acquaintances. Get them into the fight as well.
     

    lazarus

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 23, 2015
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    But, you don't need an FFL if the gun isn't changing ownership.

    Look at ATF regulations. A person may build a firearm for personal use without an FFL. A company cannot. A company requires a manufacturers FFL if they are to construct firearms either for sale or for any other reason.

    So you wearing your hat as the company could not legally build a gun unless you had the appropriate FFL. You as an individual could build said gun, but you could not then transfer it in to possession of the company (well you could if that hadn’t been your intent when you built the gun, but that’s a pretty thin veil to hide behind).
     

    teratos

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    Jan 22, 2009
    59,830
    Bel Air
    Look at ATF regulations. A person may build a firearm for personal use without an FFL. A company cannot. A company requires a manufacturers FFL if they are to construct firearms either for sale or for any other reason.

    So you wearing your hat as the company could not legally build a gun unless you had the appropriate FFL. You as an individual could build said gun, but you could not then transfer it in to possession of the company (well you could if that hadn’t been your intent when you built the gun, but that’s a pretty thin veil to hide behind).

    Don’t forget that a big part of our system of government is State’s Rights. There is nothing in the Federal law you cite that makes it illegal for a State to impose further restrictions on the making of firearms for personal use.
     

    PowPow

    Where's the beef?
    Nov 22, 2012
    4,713
    Howard County
    Hearings for these bills are coming up:

    HB910 House Judiciary Wed. 2/26 1pm
    SB958 Judicial Proceedings Tue 3/3 at 12:00 p.m.
     

    Nickberg500

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 20, 2019
    1,064
    North of Baltimore County
    Can we setup a registry of people who can't make it and have them entered as opposed to the bill? Maybe not posted online for all to see, but maintained by someone trusted? I can only make the Senate Bill version of this.

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    BeoBill

    Crank in the Third Row
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 3, 2013
    27,171
    南馬里蘭州鮑伊
    Don’t forget that a big part of our system of government is State’s Rights. There is nothing in the Federal law you cite that makes it illegal for a State to impose further restrictions on the making of firearms for personal use.

    Except common sense and that pesky Internet thingy. And then there's technological advancement in general.

    But we ARE talking about Maryland, where you HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FO' THE CHILLUNS...
     

    ziptiespec

    Active Member
    Can we setup a registry of people who can't make it and have them entered as opposed to the bill? Maybe not posted online for all to see, but maintained by someone trusted? I can only make the Senate Bill version of this.

    Del. Arikan offered to help enter written testimony into the system for anyone that could not appear in person.

    From an email from MSI.

    The below is a message from Delegate Lauren Arikan:

    What can YOU do?

    1) Submit WRITTEN TESTIMONY to the committee about why this legislation is wrong or how it will impact your life.

    Include the following info. in your email:

    A. Name
    B. Address (so the delegates know if you are their constituent)
    C. Email Address
    D. The Bill #’s and OPPOSE ( You can send one email with all of the bills #’s on it)
    E. Send to Lauren.Arikan@house.state.md.us (or reply to this email)
    F. You can also submit it to the committee on the day of the hearing but it will need to be a PDF file on a flash drive.


    2) Come to Annapolis to give VERBAL TESTIMONY to the committee.

    A. Get to Annapolis between 9am-11:00am on the day of the hearing to sign up to speak.
    B. Prepare a 90 second testimony of what you would like to say to the committee. Remember, be polite!
    C. If you don’t want to speak you can sign up and simply say “me too” when it’s your turn.


    Or DO BOTH!


    We need verbal testimony on several days – please come if you can or at least submit written testimony.
     
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