Biggfoot44
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I found the language in the SHARE act (see Minuteman's thread) that resolves some of the ACE managed public land regulations. Quoted and linked below.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2406
Giving this a bump.
If you're hiking thru a national forest or park, and can carry, DO IT. Get whatever permit you need and DO IT (with Shia LeBouf emphasis). Learn the laws, learn about the wildlife there, and get some training. Then do it!
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Just got back from Old Rag mountain. Had a brief, but no less wild encounter with a black bear cub on the fire road while my friend i were jogging back to the car. I was 10 or so yards behind my friend when the bear darted down the hill that overlooks the trail. It came within 10-15 feet of my friend, as it ran across the road.
As soon as I saw the bear, I shouted "BEAR! (Friend's name) Stop!" He hit the brakes and I told him to come back towards me as we both started making loud noises. There were two hikers behind me that I had stop for a minute. It was intense, as none of us knew if Momma was going to appear next. We continued talking loudly as we scanned the hillside and the area below the road for any other movement. After feeling like that was the extent of it, we kept on our way.
Freaking wild experience that had my adrenaline spike. Validates why I carry and why you should too.
I never once reached for my sidearm, but knew it was there if the situation warranted it. Also plenty aware that it may still not be enough for a bear.
We've hiked plenty in Shenandoah and the GWNF, but this is the first time we've ever encountered a bear. Certainly something I will never, ever forget.
If you're hiking thru a national forest or park, and can carry, DO IT. Get whatever permit you need and DO IT (with Shia LeBouf emphasis). Learn the laws, learn about the wildlife there, and get some training. Then do it!
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Just got back from Old Rag mountain. Had a brief, but no less wild encounter with a black bear cub on the fire road while my friend i were jogging back to the car. I was 10 or so yards behind my friend when the bear darted down the hill that overlooks the trail. It came within 10-15 feet of my friend, as it ran across the road.
As soon as I saw the bear, I shouted "BEAR! (Friend's name) Stop!" He hit the brakes and I told him to come back towards me as we both started making loud noises. There were two hikers behind me that I had stop for a minute. It was intense, as none of us knew if Momma was going to appear next. We continued talking loudly as we scanned the hillside and the area below the road for any other movement. After feeling like that was the extent of it, we kept on our way.
Freaking wild experience that had my adrenaline spike. Validates why I carry and why you should too.
I never once reached for my sidearm, but knew it was there if the situation warranted it. Also plenty aware that it may still not be enough for a bear.
We've hiked plenty in Shenandoah and the GWNF, but this is the first time we've ever encountered a bear. Certainly something I will never, ever forget.
Mack C-85
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State law is enforceable on Federal Properties under 18 USC 13.
"Assimilative Crimes Act*(ACA) is a*Federal*statute (18 U.S.C.A. § 13) which provides adoption by Congress of state criminal laws for areas of exclusive or concurrent*federal*jurisdiction if the*crime*is not punishable under*federal*law."
For example the is no federal traffic code. You write the charge as "18 USC 13 (State Traffic Charge)
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"Assimilative Crimes Act*(ACA) is a*Federal*statute (18 U.S.C.A. § 13) which provides adoption by Congress of state criminal laws for areas of exclusive or concurrent*federal*jurisdiction if the*crime*is not punishable under*federal*law."
For example the is no federal traffic code. You write the charge as "18 USC 13 (State Traffic Charge)
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Happened to us last summer hiking north of Skyland. Camecaround a switchback and there was a sow bear amd a few cubs.
Backed up the hill making noise. Unfortunately I was way underpowered for a bear should i have needed it.
Crazy story. I have hiked old rag several times and seen bear. Carried for my first time there last fall but didn't have any encounters.
I carried a Glock 36. What were you carrying? Not 10mm I presume.
I don't own a 10mm (yet).
next time you go hiking, you can borrow one of my 10mm pistols. I have 4 Smiths, 2 Glocks and a new Sig in 10mm
the bears will be afraid, very afraid.
the bears will be afraid, very afraid.
next time you go hiking, you can borrow one of my 10mm pistols. I have 4 Smiths, 2 Glocks and a new Sig in 10mm
the bears will be afraid, very afraid.
0_O that's a lot of mm!
Duly noted
And these are only the BASIC attacks. God save us from advanced ninja bears and their murderous advanced moves.
mesmithwesson
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And when a nat'l park in MD posts No Weapons Allowed it invalidates your MD CWP.
SigForLife
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While I don't think anyone should try this, I am not so sure that Code of Md. Regs. (COMAR) § 08.07.01.04 applies, since it specifically uses the language "State forest" and does not mention "federal" or "national" parks/forests in any regard. Interestingly, NPS does not appear to be too sure either way, since it only cites to the Pub Safety and Crim Law sections and does not, as it normally does, state yay or nay - https://home.nps.gov/nace/learn/management/firearms-regulations.htm. Another issue that one might be able to argue if he/she found himself in court is that the word parks is separate from forests, as reflected by the State preemption code Md. Crim. Law 4-209, which permits regulation of firearms by a local government within 100 yards or in a "park."
in an earlier post, someone stated that since MD prohibits carry in State Parks, National Parks are also banned. Can someone explain how a ban in State Parks also bans carry in a National Park? The MD statute doesn't address it. IMO if it's not specifically banned, it's allowed.
wouldn't an unrestricted W&C permit be legal?
I'd appreciate other's opinions on this.
wouldn't an unrestricted W&C permit be legal?
I'd appreciate other's opinions on this.
SigForLife
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Although I don't recommend anyone be the test case, 18 U.S.C. 930 isn't as encompassing as most believe, given the defense that is provided in (d)(3) - i.e. excluding "the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes." I successfully litigated identical language in relation to PA's general prohibition on carrying firearms on school grounds, which provided an "other lawful purpose" exemption. Part of the argument was that the law, generally speaking, defines that which is unlawful, not that which is lawful. Thus, as long as the person does not have an unlawful purpose, he/she is entitled to the defense/exemption.
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