HB1302-"The Neighborhood Bag Lady Can Take Your Guns" bill

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  • EL1227

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    Nov 14, 2010
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    If it bleeds it leads ...

    They likely have a checklist that they work though (in fact, if one visits the Marylanders to prevent gun violence web page, you can find one such checklist).

    The scary thing is that they're running out of things to do in MD, so will likely turn their attention to the most restrictive legislative goals next ...

    -mag possession bans
    -background checks on ammo purchases
    -no in state long gun sales without an FFL
    -a complete semiautomatic firearm ban

    Again with no hard data that additional restrictions of a Constitutional right results in a significant benefit to the public at large (and no analysis if it harms the public at large).

    Not like they've seriously analyzed effects on crime in MD following the 2013 restrictions and bans either.

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    Except if it's an everyday occurrence in B'More, where the 2017 death toll from criminal gun violence exceeded the total number of the past ten or more mass murders which have been prominently and emotionally plastered in the national headlines. All it would take to trigger the next level of gun grabbing here and elsewhere is another massacre at a school or church.
     

    Adolph Oliver Bush

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    Dec 13, 2015
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    Except if it's an everyday occurrence in B'More, where the 2017 death toll from criminal gun violence exceeded the total number of the past ten or more mass murders which have been prominently and emotionally plastered in the national headlines. All it would take to trigger the next level of gun grabbing here and elsewhere is another massacre at a school or church.


    I often remind people that the deaths in Vegas are repeated every two months in Baltimore.

    So what did Maryland do in response to the 342 murders in Baltimore last year? It banned a device that is easily replicated with a stick or a belt loop, that has never been used in a crime in Maryland, and they did nothing to address the nation-leading crime rate in Baltimore. The sickening thing is that most politicians who further this travesty will be re-elected.
     

    Bob A

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    Nov 11, 2009
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    The sickening thing is the compulsive willing ignorance of the voting public.
     

    LongTom

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    Jan 13, 2010
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    Southern Maryland
    I have an honest line of questions.
    Does the state qualify as "any other interested person?"
    If the state qualifies as "any other interested person," does this mean that if you seek help for suicidal thoughts, the police "may" now raid and destroy your home?
    Does this mean that the state has the power to start setting "rules" such as always raiding the homes of people with PTSD, domestic issues, depression, or other problems?
    Does this mean that people "may" have to be forced to choose between 2nd Amendment protection or 4th Amendment protection, because they're not allowed to have both?
    Does this mean that if you have issues that frequently arise, the police could possibly raid and destroy your home, with no grounds, on a regular basis?
     

    Hawkeye

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    Jan 29, 2009
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    I have an honest line of questions.
    Does the state qualify as "any other interested person?"
    If the state qualifies as "any other interested person," does this mean that if you seek help for suicidal thoughts, the police will now raid and destroy your home?
    Does this mean that the state can start setting "rules" such as always raiding the homes of people with PTSD, domestic issues, depression, or other problems?
    Does this mean that people will have to be forced to choose between 2nd Amendment protection or 4th Amendment protection, because they're not allowed to have both?

    The whole "any interested person" thing didn't end up in the law that actually got signed, so don't worry about that part.

    As far as the whole mental health / PTSD question, that's out there even without this law. There are plenty of people out there who are scared to seek help for fear of losing their 2nd Amendment rights over it.
     

    newmuzzleloader

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    Apr 14, 2009
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    joppa
    The whole "any interested person" thing didn't end up in the law that actually got signed, so don't worry about that part.

    As far as the whole mental health / PTSD question, that's out there even without this law. There are plenty of people out there who are scared to seek help for fear of losing their 2nd Amendment rights over it.

    If you look at who has the power to swear out a complaint against you it might as well be any interested person. I can't find it to link to that part of the law but it's more than just family members.
     

    BeoBill

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    Oct 3, 2013
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    What's currently posted:
    http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2018RS/bills/hb/hb1302t.pdf

    The ONLY mention of "Interested Person" is on Line 22, and of course is NOT defined.
    13 (C)(1) “PETITIONER”MEANS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO FILES A PETITIONFOR
    14 AN EXTREME RISK PREVENTION ORDER UNDER THIS SUBTITLE.
    15 (2)“PETITIONER” INCLUDES:
    16 (I)A PHYSICIAN,PSYCHOLOGIST,CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER,
    17 LICENSED CLINICAL PROFESSIONAL COUNSELOR,CLINICAL NURSE SPECIALIST IN
    18 PSYCHIATRIC AND MENTAL HEALTH NURSING,PSYCHIATRIC NURSE PRACTITIONER,
    19 LICENSED CLINICAL MARRIAGE OR FAMILY THERAPIST,OR HEALTH OFFICER OR
    20 DESIGNEE OF A HEALTH OFFICER WHO HAS EXAMINED THE INDIVIDUAL;
    21 (II)A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER;OR
    22 (III)ANY OTHER INTERESTED PERSON

    As usual, ambiguous crap awaiting a court challenge.
     

    mac1_131

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    Jan 31, 2009
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    That is not in the final version.

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