Shotgun Joe for Pres ha ha ha

Mr H · May 12, 2019

IMO....

The Dems don't really care who gets the nomination, as long as they can stay away from scandal and run Harris as VP, at the very least.

Occam · May 12, 2019

traveller said:
At this point I have no idea who the rabbit is.

Michelle Obama. With Howard Schultz as business-cred-enabled VP, doubling as White Guy In Beta Role to compete the virtue signaling bifecta while still bringing along someone who's actually run something in his life.

CrabcakesAndFootball · Jun 10, 2019

Say what you will about Ole Shotgun Joe, but I think he and his team are exactly correct on their strategy:

"Privately, several Biden advisers acknowledge that their theory of the case is rooted in polling data and voting trends that are in plain sight. They contend that the idea of a hyper-progressive Democratic electorate is advanced inaccurately by a media stuck in a bubble propagated by Twitter, and out of touch with the average rank-and-file Democrat."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/10/joe-biden-democrats-2020-strategy-1358530

K31 · Jun 10, 2019

CrabcakesAndFootball said:
They contend that the idea of a hyper-progressive Democratic electorate is advanced inaccurately by a media stuck in a bubble propagated by Twitter, and out of touch with the average rank-and-file Democrat."

The ones that can add and subtract at least.

Mightydog · Jun 11, 2019

Reptile · Jun 11, 2019

Biden has now plagiarized the Creepy Porn Lawyer's presidential campaign slogan...Make America America Again. I guess that's OK since the only running he's been doing lately is from the law.

K31 · Jun 12, 2019

One word came to mind watching Joe in Iowa last night, doddering.

rascal · Jun 12, 2019

It is early and the primary will be withering. But
a) Beto and Butto are empty suits,
b) the rest of the field is to the left of Mao
c) the democratic party primary process is much more controlled by insiders than the GOP process, even with reduction of super delegate influence.

That means unless something crazy happens it will be Biden. Biden is the most formidable and dangerous to Trump. Biden will vacuum up the most money. Biden is a national figure. And say what you want about polls, but they matter, and ALL polls, even GOP friendly ones like Rasmussen, show Biden leading a lot against Trump.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

The media is less enthusiastic about Biden but they will all fall in line.

Now sure, due to the endless nastiness against anyone who supports Trump, or even of people who see Trump as the less of two evils compared to the Democrats, being labeled negativity, I would bet that a lot of the lead of Democrats in the polls, is an artificial effect. Ie: "Trump is a xenophobic, fascist, racist, insane person; will you be voting for him?" This is similar to some degree to: "Gun owners are a violent, crazy, retrograde bunch; do you own a gun?"

But is that effect a two or a five point error? I don't think it is a ten point error.

Mightydog · Jun 12, 2019

Maybe the DOJ needs to step up their investigation into Biden and Kerry’s sons shady dealings while HE was on official business?

Occam · Jun 12, 2019

rascal said:
But is that effect a two or a five point error? I don't think it is a ten point error.

A lot of the polling around Clinton's inevitable victory over Trump was wrong by more than 10 points. And so far, Biden has only been on the receiving end of some vague, hand-wavy "some candidates aren't here today..." henpecking from the can't-win Dem candidates. So he really hasn't taken on any of the damage that his history of gaffes, plagiarism, hair sniffing, family/China/other corruption, and fecklessness in the administration he was a part of (including the shenanigans we're going to hear about from the DoJ IG and Barr) WILL cause, once Trump is done waiting. There's no point spending any time or resources on that as long as the other Dems are picking at Biden for free. And they'll start picking with more of a vengeance as their primary ramps up.

Biden has a yuge wake of remarkably stupid, exploitable stuff trailing behind him. His record in the senate is full of comments and positions that will make the SJW lefties actively hate him, or at least become less enthusiastic about voting for him.

Major03 · Jun 12, 2019

Occam said:
Biden has a yuge wake of remarkably stupid, exploitable stuff trailing behind him. His record in the senate is full of comments and positions that will make the SJW lefties actively hate him, or at least become less enthusiastic about voting for him.

That's true about his history of stupid statements and actions, and his flip flopping...but the SJW will hate Trump more than they hate Biden's wishy washy stance on their issue du jour.

The Dem base will support whoever gets the nomination. No chance a significant portion switch sides.

It's middle America who will decide the next election. And the economy is strong, our foreign policy is strong, Trump's been keeping his promises or at least trying his damnest to.

The only thing the Dems have is "we hate Trump." And as more gets exposed about the origins of the Russia Investigation, even their credibility there will wane.

K31 · Jun 12, 2019

Major03 said:
The only thing the Dems have is "we hate Trump." And as more gets exposed about the origins of the Russia Investigation, even their credibility there will wane.

To people who can't name the current Vice President, or find the US on a map, "origins of the Russia Investigation" will get you a blank stare. Unfortunately, that's 50% of the population. I think however that The President is right and that Shotgun Joe won't be much of an opponent.

rseymorejr · Jun 12, 2019

I think Sleepy Joe is planning on curing cancer if he wins. So, we have that going for us, which is nice.

Occam · Jun 12, 2019

K31 said:
To people who can't name the current Vice President, or find the US on a map, "origins of the Russia Investigation" will get you a blank stare.

But they do understand "It's not fair that some people have more stuff than you do, so we're going to make them give it to you." THAT'S what they have besides "Trump is bad."

BlueHeeler · Jun 12, 2019

Major03 said:
That's true about his history of stupid statements and actions, and his flip flopping...but the SJW will hate Trump more than they hate Biden's wishy washy stance on their issue du jour.

The Dem base will support whoever gets the nomination. No chance a significant portion switch sides.

It's middle America who will decide the next election. And the economy is strong, our foreign policy is strong, Trump's been keeping his promises or at least trying his damnest to.

The only thing the Dems have is "we hate Trump." And as more gets exposed about the origins of the Russia Investigation, even their credibility there will wane.

Agree.

I do not believe Biden will bring out middle America to the polls. He is wildly uninspiring.

Democrats like to trash Hillary Clinton now, but she was the most admired woman in the world for 17 years leading up to the election. Even she could not bring people out.

If I were DNC I would push Tulsi Gabbard. She has Obama like charisma. I do not like her policy, but I think her measured tone would trash Trump in a debate.

DNC is wasting their money trying to pacify the super far left SJWs. DNC needs someone more moderate if they want to win.

Mightydog · Jun 12, 2019

JPG · Jun 12, 2019

Before you get excited or depressed about the polls look at who answered them. The national breakdown of parties is about 32% Dem 25% Rep and 43% independent.

The poll that shows Trump losing to everyone is 43% Dem and says “if you want the political breakdown you must request it”. They only show the % of Democrats or leaning Dem but nothing on Republican or Independents participating in the poll. And remember last election lots of people didn’t want to tell anyone who they were voting for.

HailVon · Jun 12, 2019

BlueHeeler said:
Agree.

I do not believe Biden will bring out middle America to the polls. He is wildly uninspiring.

Democrats like to trash Hillary Clinton now, but she was the most admired woman in the world for 17 years leading up to the election. Even she could not bring people out.

If I were DNC I would push Tulsi Gabbard. She has Obama like charisma. I do not like her policy, but I think her measured tone would trash Trump in a debate.

DNC is wasting their money trying to pacify the super far left SJWs. DNC needs someone more moderate if they want to win.

I could sadly see Pete Buttigieg as their nominee.

rascal · Jun 13, 2019

Occam said:
A lot of the polling around Clinton's inevitable victory over Trump was wrong by more than 10 points.

It wasn't. The average was wrong by three points at two months out, and only by one point a week out. The polls were almost all within the margin of error.

RCP average was three points those months out which meant Trump constantly had a 30% chance of winning. A ten point trailing would give him a less than 1% chance of winning

Biden has a huge wake of remarkably stupid, exploitable stuff trailing behind him. His record in the senate is full of comments and positions that will make the SJW lefties actively hate him, or at least become less enthusiastic about voting for him.

I agree with huge, I disagree with exploitable. The media is in the tank for the DNC my friend.

As far as SJW, they don't vote at the same proportions, and more importantly they do not give money to the DNC.

BlueHeeler said:
DNC is wasting their money trying to pacify the super far left SJWs. DNC needs someone more moderate if they want to win.

I think the Democratic party is doing the intelligent thing with the super far left. They are using them to position Biden as centrist grownup up in the room.

Occam · Jun 13, 2019

rascal said:
I think the Democratic party is doing the intelligent thing with the super far left. They are using them to position Biden as centrist grownup up in the room.

This is almost certainly true. One would like to think that the far-left wingnuts would be deliberately and cynically doing their socialist routine as part of that strategy... but I think people like Warren and Beto really are as personally idiotic as they are portraying themselves. So, yes, the DNC is just letting the ranting fringe do their thing so that Biden - despite his baggage - can appear less outright frightening, and instead merely bumbling, ideologically incoherent, and unlikely to be able to stay awake through the entire primary process, when not sniffing uncomfortable women's hair.

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