45-70 AR

Jed195 · May 16, 2020

Saw an ad/video on the book of faces about a company, Phoenix Weaponry, that has put out an AR 15 chambered in 45-70. This interests me a greatly as all the thumper ARs are in special large calibers and 45-70 has been around forever and not so much a special purpose round.

This beast is pricey and maybe that will come down after some time. Can't imagine the recoil though it is obviously less than a single shot rolling block. If these pass the function test I'm interested.

Doctor_M · May 16, 2020

For when you want to take out an entire herd of buffalo!

engineerbrian · May 16, 2020

Whats the price?

teratos · May 16, 2020

engineerbrian said:
Whats the price?

$4800

https://www.phoenixweaponry.com/store/Christine-45-70-p136580300

Doctor_M · May 16, 2020

Might as well just go with a .50 BMG and be done with it.

Silverlode · May 16, 2020

teratos said:
$4800

https://www.phoenixweaponry.com/store/Christine-45-70-p136580300

Ouch!

Jed195 said:
Saw an ad/video on the book of faces about a company, Phoenix Weaponry, that has put out an AR 15 chambered in 45-70. This interests me a greatly as all the thumper ARs are in special large calibers and 45-70 has been around forever and not so much a special purpose round.

I don't like niche calibers either but if I was going for an AR that does about the same thing the 458 SOCOM is the answer I think, and you can use standard AR/5.56 mags.

Jed195 · May 16, 2020

Doctor_M said:
Might as well just go with a .50 BMG and be done with it.

After seeing the sticker price that's exactly what I thought. Although the 50 bmg offers fewer places to shoot while the 45-70 is good to go at most ranges 4800 for an AR it better be SOTAR approved.

namelessname120 · May 16, 2020

Isn’t the 458. Socom round equivalent to 45-70 ?

Art3 · May 16, 2020

Look at the rimless brass...".45-70 Auto" :tdown:

I'm out.

toppkatt · May 16, 2020

Art3 said:
Look at the rimless brass...".45-70 Auto" I'm out.

This! Don't need another 'non-standard' cartridge to reload. :sad20:

smdub · May 17, 2020

Art3 said:
Look at the rimless brass...".45-70 Auto" I'm out.

It's almost like they tried to sneak that in. *WHY* would someone create a new cartridge when 45 Raptor exists, is cheaper, and is already doing the same basic thing. Both are rated to ~65ksi (same as the parent AR10.) 45 Raptor uses .452 bullets based on the 460 S&W handgun, while 45-70 will use a .458 bullet. That's the only difference I can see. I guess you have to ask yourself do you already reload for one of the other cartridges and have a supply of bullets already (that are GC or jacketed to push to the required speed - not all 458 bullets can handle that)

Lloyd · May 17, 2020

namelessname120 said:
Isn’t the 458. Socom round equivalent to 45-70 ?

I'm not a fan of this $5K rifle, but the 45-70 is straight wall and I'm told very forgiving to reload. Some argue the 45-70 is a great SHTF round due to it being able to be reloaded with blackpowder, cast bullets, and seat the bullet with simple hand vise. I've never did this, but YouTube has a few videos showing this.

My understanding is that .458 being a necked cartridge would be less forgiving in that same situation.

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smdub · May 17, 2020

Not the same as 458 SOCOM which is fired from an AR15 at a 35ksi limit. 47-70 @ Ruger #1 loads is 65ksi. The rifle mentioned here is an AR10 frame.

calicojack · May 18, 2020

teratos said:
$4800

https://www.phoenixweaponry.com/store/Christine-45-70-p136580300

Better include a can for that price.

teratos · May 18, 2020

calicojack said:
Better include a can for that price.

A can of gold?

DutchV · May 18, 2020

I suspect these will become orphans after very few are sold.

byf43 · May 18, 2020

While I am a BIG fan of the .45-70, this so-called .45-70 Auto does NOT interest me, at all.

AR-10/AR-308 rifle. I got one.
.45-70 rifle(s). Got several.

I'm not about to pay close to $5K for a rifle, then proprietary brass. (Couldn't find the current price, but, each piece ain't cheap!)

For kicks and grins, I did pick up a .458 SOCOM upper. Still haven't done anything with it...... yet.

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