Anyone have a Wilson KZ 45?

bigred · Apr 28, 2021

Looking for opinions on the Wilson Combat KZ45 double stack 1911, also looking for an approximate value on an unfired early model in new condition.
If I get pics, I will post them.

Magnumite · Apr 28, 2021

I had one. Good gun. Accuracy was very good. Reliable. For ten rounds of 45 ACP ACP the grip frame worked well. Just didn’t care for the balance with the poly frame. I amnpast that and I do have a hint of seller’s remorse.

jr88 · Apr 28, 2021

I have one and really like it. I find I actually do like the balance and the trigger/accuracy are pure Wilson. The value seems to jump around but the last 2 on GB went for 1200-1500. I think this is a little high but the other day I gave op on a KZ9, when it went for over 1500 so what do I know. One issue is who knows how long magazines will be around I believe they are still available from wilson to free states.

bigred · Apr 28, 2021

Thanks guys.

Magnumite said:
I had one. Good gun. Accuracy was very good. Reliable. For ten rounds of 45 ACP ACP the grip frame worked well. Just didn’t care for the balance with the poly frame. I amnpast that and I do have a hint of seller’s remorse.

jr88 said:
I have one and really like it. I find I actually do like the balance and the trigger/accuracy are pure Wilson. The value seems to jump around but the last 2 on GB went for 1200-1500. I think this is a little high but the other day I gave op on a KZ9, when it went for over 1500 so what do I know. One issue is who knows how long magazines will be around I believe they are still available from wilson to free states.

Magnumite · Apr 28, 2021

jr88 said:
I have one and really like it. I find I actually do like the balance and the trigger/accuracy are pure Wilson. The value seems to jump around but the last 2 on GB went for 1200-1500. I think this is a little high but the other day I gave op on a KZ9, when it went for over 1500 so what do I know. One issue is who knows how long magazines will be around I believe they are still available from wilson to free states.

Not sure but you can investigate the BUL 10 shot 45. BUL made the frames or its their design, IIRC. I think the mags may work.

jr88 · Apr 29, 2021

Magnumite said:
Not sure but you can investigate the BUL 10 shot 45. BUL made the frames or its their design, IIRC. I think the mags may work.

Thanks that's good to know. Funny how I assumed the mag would be illegal in Md., guess I'm trained that anything extra is a no no. Thanks

Magnumite · Apr 29, 2021

No problemo.

bigred · Apr 29, 2021

It’s not marked as a KZ 45 but definitely appears to be one. It’s a 2002 model with a low serial number of WCP 0002**. It has the bag, two mags, two manuals, test target and the QC and test fire checklist.

Not sure if anything effects the value or not.

jr88 · Apr 29, 2021

Isn't that KZ 45 Stamped in r side of slide ? No offense, I wouldn't call that almost new from the pix I see.

bigred · Apr 29, 2021

I haven’t seen it in person and didn’t notice that in the pic. He says it’s never been fired, that it’s been sitting in the safe since he bought it.

jr88 said:
Isn't that KZ 45 Stamped in r side of slide ? No offense, I wouldn't call that almost new from the pix I see.

jr88 · Apr 29, 2021

Oh I see you are thinking of buying. The finish on those is really tough so the scratches indicate to me it's been well used.

bigred · Apr 29, 2021

Yes was trying to figure out value so I can decide if I wanna make him an offer.

jr88 said:
Oh I see you are thinking of buying. The finish on those is really tough so the scratches indicate to me it's been well used.

Moonlighter · Apr 29, 2021

Safe queens really shouldn't be that scratched up, IMO. You could send it off to WC for a refinish but if the seller is misrepresenting about the gun's past I'd walk. Not saying they are, maybe the guy just tosses shit into his safe? lol

bigred · Apr 29, 2021

it was definitely not in the bag it was just laying on a shelf in the safe, i was on video chat with him when he pulled it out to show me, he also had to look for the soft case.

Moonlighter said:
Safe queens really shouldn't be that scratched up, IMO. You could send it off to WC for a refinish but if the seller is misrepresenting about the gun's past I'd walk. Not saying they are, maybe the guy just tosses shit into his safe? lol

Moonlighter · Apr 29, 2021

bigred said:
it was definitely not in the bag it was just laying on a shelf in the safe, i was on video chat with him when he pulled it out to show me, he also had to look for the soft case.

Well, if you're buying it just for a shooter then - go for it. It's damn nice looking, scratches aside. Good luck!

Edit: WC Refinishing prices

jr88 · Apr 29, 2021

Don't get me wrong, it's probably a great shooter and reliable. Also check on sights most Ive seen came with NS. If so they will be done by now. As a gamble I offer 700, maybe 800 unless you can take it out and shoot it to see how you like it. Don't confuse it with other Wilsons, these were 1395 new not 3K and up.

Magnumite · Apr 29, 2021

How does the slide breech face look?

erwos · Apr 30, 2021

It's safe wear from a packed safe. Contrary to claims otherwise, these are not BUL M5 frames, they were made in South Africa IIRC.

Magnumite · Apr 30, 2021

erwos said:
It's safe wear from a packed safe. Contrary to claims otherwise, these are not BUL M5 frames, they were made in South Africa IIRC.

I stand corrected, erwos. Thanks. Ryan Wilson confirmed that 20 years back.

The price of these have been going up. Not sure I’d pay 1300-1500. A poly Rock River Arms is under $1k, just not a 10 shot. Another 400-500 will get one a new Baer or a good use Brown or Nighthawk.

Anyone have a Wilson KZ 45?

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