HPRB October 21, 2019 Meeting Thread

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 21, 2019

MSP - Appears to be a new trooper up. APPL can't applying on being a firefighter. Applicant did not provide any document on that he has been threatened or targeted. Not enough for G&S. Did not do informal review.

Board member asked is he was allowed to be armed during work. I think he said he has been threatened, but did not file complaint.

Board booting - I predict a loss. And I'm correct. I guess being a firefighter is not an assumed risk position. Just think about that statement for awhile. A person who goes into a burning building does not have an assumed risk job. Different situation, but kind of funny.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 21, 2019

Next applicant an Air Force veteran. Talking about some of his tours. Talking about security breach. Also some other things about other lapses in security that have people's personal info stolen.

Has received training in his career. Primary reason is his information is out there for use by foreign and domestic bad guys.

MSP - question 23 reason. To protect himself, security clearance, and something else. Failed to provide any proof of being threatened. (I guess threats by ISIS to kill all American past or active service members is not a threat).

Board member retired from air Force, but is a defense contractor.

MSP prevailed again.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 21, 2019

Next applicant up. Guy in a suite. Looking good! He works for someone (lots of letters) and is president. Trying to get business of contracts. Said he needed to get denied first before he can present an appeal.

MSP said he is prohibited in MD from owning a gun due to a charge in New York, a misdemeanor. MSP said to get it expunged and can then reapply. I think the charge was forth degree something. Possible sentence exceeds MD restriction.

MSP prevails - no reason to have a vote. Makes it look like they have power to issue a permit to a prohibited person.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 21, 2019

Next applicant up. Jeans AND T-shirt, not so sharp. Applying for personal protection. Gave a list of things that has happened in his neighborhood. Guy on the radio threatened to kill him. He looked up his radio license to get his address. Said lasted shooting two miles from house. Another guy getting beat up two miles from house. I think he's in Waldorf. Waldorf is a high crime area. Dead body found two miles from house about 15 years ago. MS 13 gang rape in neighborhood. Cannot walk in his neighborhood after dark.

Posted a video on Facebook of police shooting through windshield. Then another guy posted that he he is racists and appeared to make a thread. Said he was a war veteran and said when he gets back from his tour he will kill him or something. Facebook is such a nice place.

I live close to that, it's getting to be a rough place.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 21, 2019

MSP - Jan 15 application. Question 23. Applicant ion failed to provided any documentation of threats. Lack of G&S.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 21, 2019

Applicant said he called the police, but police handed him a card and said call if the activity continues.

MSP prevails.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 21, 2019

Next applicant. Appealing his restriction. Restriction prevents ability to protect self and family. Has a TS clearance. A greater threat due to his position. Remains in condition of apprehended fear. Restriction ays as long as employed .........

Has signed an agreement, classified information non disclosure agreement. Provided to the board. Agreement said obligation is forever. As long as obligation exists, so does the threat.

MSP - July 9. Question 23. Says applicant has TS clearance. Verified. Applicant was approved with restriction. Pickle did an informal review and updated restriction. No documention regarding threats. Restrictions are reasonable.

Board said it's basically unrestricted. Applicant stating he intends to remain employed. Is concerned about lifetime requirement of information he safeguards.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 21, 2019

Applicant thinks restriction is unreasonable. Board member stating you don't have to be here until you are unemployed.

MSP prevails.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 21, 2019

Interesting that the board gives the applicant's paperwork back. In this case it might be sensitive, but you'd think they'd want to preserve it for the record. You know, a due process issue.

Due process, wtf is that?

Applehd · Oct 21, 2019

Board is just going through the motions until the veto is overridden... I am going to have a tough time milking a tear when the Board goes away... :sad20:

Hattie · Oct 21, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
MSP - Jan 15 application. Question 23. Applicant ion failed to provided any documentation of threats. Lack of G&S.

MSP's insistence on "third party" evidence of threats is arbitrary and capricious. The W&C application is under oath/penalty of perjury. The sworn statement of the applicant IS evidence, in and of itself.

CaptPrice · Oct 21, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
MSP - Appears to be a new trooper up. APPL can't applying on being a firefighter. Applicant did not provide any document on that he has been threatened or targeted. Not enough for G&S. Did not do informal review.

Board member asked is he was allowed to be armed during work. I think he said he has been threatened, but did not file complaint.

Board booting - I predict a loss. And I'm correct. I guess being a firefighter is not an assumed risk position. Just think about that statement for awhile. A person who goes into a burning building does not have an assumed risk job. Different situation, but kind of funny.

Man this pisses me off... I was going to apply under similar parameters (I’m a FF/EMT also). I have been threatened by patients several times and I live close to where I work. Our patients are protected by HIPPA, we can’t give out information about them

adit · Oct 21, 2019

CaptPrice said:
Man this pisses me off... I was going to apply under similar parameters (I’m a FF/EMT also). I have been threatened by patients several times and I live close to where I work. Our patients are protected by HIPPA, we can’t give out information about them

Get/keep witness statements from your peers, and work the HIPPA angle into your application.

All FF/EMT's should be doing this (witness statements).

If you guys have a union, approach them with creating an incident form. They can keep them on file for any future needs. They don't necessarily need to know your purpose would be for a permit to carry.

Abacab · Oct 21, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
MSP - Appears to be a new trooper up. APPL can't applying on being a firefighter. Applicant did not provide any document on that he has been threatened or targeted. Not enough for G&S. Did not do informal review.

Board member asked is he was allowed to be armed during work. I think he said he has been threatened, but did not file complaint.

Board booting - I predict a loss. And I'm correct. I guess being a firefighter is not an assumed risk position. Just think about that statement for awhile. A person who goes into a burning building does not have an assumed risk job. Different situation, but kind of funny.

Is not doing an informal review frowned upon by this new board? I skipped it because as far as I know, almost no one has ever changed the decision using it.

Not_an_outlaw · Oct 22, 2019

Actually, an informal reviewed worked for me. Lausock said a gave them misleading information, when they asked about my clearance. They said they call my employers and said the level I stayed was not the one that I had. I specifically did not tell them because I don't believe they have a need to know. Once that was cleared up, I got a restricted permit based on my business, not my DoD employment. I worked with Pickle. Great guy.

GTOGUNNER · Oct 22, 2019

Not_an_outlaw said:
Actually, an informal reviewed worked for me. Lausock said a gave them misleading information, when they asked about my clearance. They said they call my employers and said the level I stayed was not the one that I had. I specifically did not tell them because I don't believe they have a need to know. Once that was cleared up, I got a restricted permit based on my business, not my DoD employment. I worked with Pickle. Great guy.

It's good you relished working with Pickle.

Kharn · Oct 22, 2019

What's the dill with Pickle?

kenpo333 · Oct 22, 2019

I understand that Del. Wayne Hartman is drafting a bill to add fireman, EMT, and several other occupations to the assumed risk section for w & C. Hope it works

on_the_rox · Oct 22, 2019

Hot dog, that's sweet that pickle was able to help you out.

PJDiesel · Oct 22, 2019

Kharn said:
What's the dill with Pickle?

Apparently he's cool as a cucumber.

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