Garden Thread - 2021

Archeryrob · Apr 23, 2021

How many of you all save seeds? I know all about fermenting wet seeds like tomatoes. I save green pepper seeds last year and planted 24 and not a damn one grew. My amish paste and beef steak came up fine, but not a pepper sprouted. Do any of these need a freeze cycle like apple seeds?

Joseph · Apr 27, 2021

The garlic is looking nice and happy. Looks like every single garlic clove sprouted. I got the cloves from last year’s harvest. German White garlic.

kstone803 · Apr 27, 2021

My lettuce box looks like crap. Planted plants last weekend and they're yellowing and not growing much. Built the raised salad box from some stuff I found online. Been watering every other day or so if it doesn't rain. Thoughts?

F-Stop · Apr 27, 2021

Do they have good drainage in the box? Are you overwatering?

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kstone803 · Apr 27, 2021

F-Stop said:
Do they have good drainage in the box? Are you overwatering?

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Box bottom is slats with mesh liner so it drains really well.

F-Stop · Apr 27, 2021

The day after you water dig down in a safe spot and see if it’s still moist. Dunno what type of soil it is but maybe it needs more water and some straw or amendment on top to keep it from evaporating quickly. Gotta find that balance.

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kstone803 · Apr 27, 2021

F-Stop said:
The day after you water dig down in a safe spot and see if it’s still moist. Dunno what type of soil it is but maybe it needs more water and some straw or amendment on top to keep it from evaporating quickly. Gotta find that balance.

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It's a compost and topsoil mix. I'll do that tomorrow since I watered today.

Glaron · May 16, 2021

Decided to mess up my lawn and put a small garden in. Time to see how this all works.

It is mostly planted as of today.

Antarctica · May 16, 2021

Glaron said:
Decided to mess up my lawn and put a small garden in. Time to see how this all works.

It is mostly planted as of today.

looks kinda shady....

HRDWRK · May 16, 2021

Archeryrob said:
How many of you all save seeds? I know all about fermenting wet seeds like tomatoes. I save green pepper seeds last year and planted 24 and not a damn one grew. My amish paste and beef steak came up fine, but not a pepper sprouted. Do any of these need a freeze cycle like apple seeds?

I save seeds every year. Pepper / tomatoes / herbs / squash / watermelon! And others..

Pepper are hard to get started from seeds!
Many ways that I have tryed failed or is too expensive for me!
Seed mats are said to be the best way.. Too expensive for me..

What has worked for me, two solo cups! One cup with a few holes on the bottom, then in the other cup I put about an inch of potting mix! Put cup with holes inside other one, warm wet potting mix in top cup!

Then I have a "seed rack" that have a oil heater in it that has been running for about a week and has an internal temperature of at least 80 degrees!

Pots that are set up, are put inside seed area for a few days before planting.

I soak pepper seeds for two days in a few teaspoons of water!

Plant them no more than a 1/4 into soil!

Grow lights set on timers for a min of 12 hours a day until seeds sprouts to two leaves, then 8 hours..

Lights are inches above the seeds, they must stay wet on the top 1/2 inch! The two cups move too much water to the bottom cup and will keep them from drowning..

I want 12 pepper plants, so I will plant 2 or 3 seeds per pot. One to two will grow.. I would say 60 percent grow rate!

It will take 4 to 6 weeks for them to start to grow..

I start them in early Feb...

Goodluck

Glaron · May 17, 2021

Antarctica said:
looks kinda shady....

about 50/50 as day progresses

gtodave · May 17, 2021

I'm going to seed over my garden this year. The soil here sucks too bad, and barely anything grows. I've tilled in leaves each fall for 7 years, and the soil still won't produce. I think I'll pair down what I plant, and put a raised box somewhere. My neighbor has had good luck with those.

kstone803 · May 17, 2021

gtodave said:
I'm going to seed over my garden this year. The soil here sucks too bad, and barely anything grows. I've tilled in leaves each fall for 7 years, and the soil still won't produce. I think I'll pair down what I plant, and put a raised box somewhere. My neighbor has had good luck with those.

Raised beds are great if you have bad soil. Have you tried getting a few yards of compro or mushroom compost? Leaves are fine but really not the best for mixing with mediocre soil. Have you had your soil tested? Without knowing anything else about your situation I would try to find enough compost to cover 4 inches deep then till it in. I just did that this spring with my garden and compro. Will likely do it again next spring as well.

bibitor · May 17, 2021

Johnson-Su bioreactor ready to fill, built yesterday. I left a big heap of compostable material out in the rain yesterday to soak and hopefully I’ll have time to get it done this afternoon.

bibitor · May 17, 2021

kstone803 said:
Raised beds are great if you have bad soil. Have you tried getting a few yards of compro or mushroom compost? Leaves are fine but really not the best for mixing with mediocre soil. Have you had your soil tested? Without knowing anything else about your situation I would try to find enough compost to cover 4 inches deep then till it in. I just did that this spring with my garden and compro. Will likely do it again next spring as well.

Forgo the tilling. Top dress and let it be.

FrankOceanXray · May 17, 2021

bibitor said:
Forgo the tilling. Top dress and let it be.

Yes, tilling is not advantageous.

It breaks up the existing microbiome. The good stuff that may be down there is brought to the surface to be oxygenated and penetrated with UV. It kills the good stuff.

Topdress. Compost, organic materials, wood chips, lasagna composting, worm castings, humanure, etc.

Archeryrob · May 26, 2021

I got a separate garden that is mulched in a 30 x 40 fence. This is the very top of my neighbors I am planting in. My daughter wants to can, and I plan to keep her busy. This is the neighbors garden and he likes to till it.

4 rows of first planting corn and 6 rows of bush beans coming up now that is rained.
beside that is a partial view of two 50' rows of Amish paste tomatoes with 24 in each row. The neighbor wanted 12 and I wanted excess if we needed more and the chickens can eat the extras.

Maybe tomorrow will get planted 2 rows of detroit beets 30 yards long, with two rows of kale. The two rows each of Salad bowl and butter crunch summer lettuce in 10 yard or 15 yard rows and three weeks fill the other 15 yards.

Mulch garden has
2 16' rows of snap peas
1 16' row of beef steak tomatoes
1 trellace of 4 cherry tomatoes
20 green peppers to be florida weaved
4 banana pepper
4 Jalapeno peppers
100 onions
8 Musica garlic from failed planting last year to grow as seed cloves
10 Broccoli
9 Zunchini plantings with three seeds,waiting to sprout two
2 16' rows of cattle panel for pickling cucumbers
Got late start Okra and brussel sprouts to get in there also.

Top of the hill by me smokehouse got basil for the Amish paste tomato canning and Cilantro for the salsa.

Why do these load sideways? I guess you have to take them on your phone like a video to work on this site? It is upright on my computer.

FrankOceanXray · May 26, 2021

A thing of beauty. Well done and fun.

Archeryrob said:
I got a separate garden that is mulched in a 30 x 40 fence. This is the very top of my neighbors I am planting in. My daughter wants to can, and I plan to keep her busy. This is the neighbors garden and he likes to till it.

4 rows of first planting corn and 6 rows of bush beans coming up now that is rained.
beside that is a partial view of two 50' rows of Amish paste tomatoes with 24 in each row. The neighbor wanted 12 and I wanted excess if we needed more and the chickens can eat the extras.

Maybe tomorrow will get planted 2 rows of detroit beets 30 yards long, with two rows of kale. The two rows each of Salad bowl and butter crunch summer lettuce in 10 yard or 15 yard rows and three weeks fill the other 15 yards.

Mulch garden has
2 16' rows of snap peas
1 16' row of beef steak tomatoes
1 trellace of 4 cherry tomatoes
20 green peppers to be florida weaved
4 banana pepper
4 Jalapeno peppers
100 onions
8 Musica garlic from failed planting last year to grow as seed cloves
10 Broccoli
9 Zunchini plantings with three seeds,waiting to sprout two
2 16' rows of cattle panel for pickling cucumbers
Got late start Okra and brussel sprouts to get in there also.

Top of the hill by me smokehouse got basil for the Amish paste tomato canning and Cilantro for the salsa.

Why do these load sideways? I guess you have to take them on your phone like a video to work on this site? It is upright on my computer.

Antarctica · May 26, 2021

Awesome Garden! I'm jealous....

T-Man · May 26, 2021

FrankOceanXray said:
Yes, tilling is not advantageous.

It breaks up the existing microbiome. The good stuff that may be down there is brought to the surface to be oxygenated and penetrated with UV. It kills the good stuff.

Topdress. Compost, organic materials, wood chips, lasagna composting, worm castings, humanure, etc.

True. I had a great planting area that I destroyed through tilling before I knew better. Just built some raised beds to plant in to avoid my own damage.

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