I'm going to write my legislators regarding the upcoming bills and argue that due to the extreme rarity of criminal shootings using rifles or AR-15s, the bills do not really pertain to public safety. Does anyone have a good source for hard data on how often these types of weapons are used for criminal activity in MD? Thanks.
Looking for data on felony shootings in MD using AR-15/long guns
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cstone
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I am assuming you are not going to include the use by law enforcement to deter criminal activity or arrest criminals.
You may need to contact numerous different law enforcement agencies for those numbers but you probably already know that the number you are looking for will likely be extremely small regardless of the time frame for your query.
Good luck. Please post your findings here for those of us who are curious.
You may need to contact numerous different law enforcement agencies for those numbers but you probably already know that the number you are looking for will likely be extremely small regardless of the time frame for your query.
Good luck. Please post your findings here for those of us who are curious.
Odarlin1
Ultimate Member
Try contacting The Governor's Office on Crime Control and Prevention
http://goccp.maryland.gov/crime-statistics/
http://goccp.maryland.gov/crime-statistics/
Odarlin1
Ultimate Member
You also can try the FBI
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/cius-2016
To obtain UCR data not presented in this publication, please contact us via e-mail at crimestatsinfo@ic.fbi.gov
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/cius-2016
To obtain UCR data not presented in this publication, please contact us via e-mail at crimestatsinfo@ic.fbi.gov
The Maryland State Police publish an annual crime report and someone posted it two weeks ago on MD Shooters, but I can't find reference to it when I search.
You can get some crime reports from MD SP here: https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Pages/Downloads.aspx
One thing that I noticed when I read the State Police Crime Report (If I recall correctly) was that less than 1% of firearm fatalities in Maryland are from long guns. The HBAR and LGQL/transfer bills are a solution in search of a problem, in my opinion.
For those that haven't read the State Police Crime Report, and if you're planning on contacting legislators or other officials, or testifying on 2/25 or 2/27, I strongly encourage you to read it.
ziptiespec
Active Member
I'd think the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) data might be a good place to start.
Here's the main site: https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr
Here's the data for 2017 "Murder, by State, types of weapons": https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-20
For Maryland, the stats are:
State Total
Total murders: 475
- Firearms: 370
- - Handguns: 339
- - Rifles: 5
- - Shotguns: 3
- - Firearms (type unknown): 23
- Knives or cutting instruments: 44
- Other weapons: 50
- Hands, fists, feet, etc.: 11
They of course don't break down the Rifles into type, but more people were killed by Hands, fists, and feet than were killed by rifles of any kind.
2016 data: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12
To find data from other years
1) start here: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s
2) pick a year
3) click the "Crime in the U.S." link for the year you're interested in
4) click weapons under the "Expanded Offense Data" section
5) click on the table name next to Weapons at the top
Not all of the years reports follow this same format. They appear to have changed formats in 2007. The above steps are applicable to 2007-2017. The earlier reports you have to dig around in different spots for the data, but it's there.
There's data in here for other crimes that can be looked at from the perspective of whether there was a weapon used and what weapons were used. I think this murder data is pretty good to use in our fight though.
Here's the main site: https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr
Here's the data for 2017 "Murder, by State, types of weapons": https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-20
For Maryland, the stats are:
State Total
Total murders: 475
- Firearms: 370
- - Handguns: 339
- - Rifles: 5
- - Shotguns: 3
- - Firearms (type unknown): 23
- Knives or cutting instruments: 44
- Other weapons: 50
- Hands, fists, feet, etc.: 11
They of course don't break down the Rifles into type, but more people were killed by Hands, fists, and feet than were killed by rifles of any kind.
2016 data: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12
To find data from other years
1) start here: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s
2) pick a year
3) click the "Crime in the U.S." link for the year you're interested in
4) click weapons under the "Expanded Offense Data" section
5) click on the table name next to Weapons at the top
Not all of the years reports follow this same format. They appear to have changed formats in 2007. The above steps are applicable to 2007-2017. The earlier reports you have to dig around in different spots for the data, but it's there.
There's data in here for other crimes that can be looked at from the perspective of whether there was a weapon used and what weapons were used. I think this murder data is pretty good to use in our fight though.
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Here are the Maryland State Police Uniform Crime Reports for 2015 and 2016. 2016 is the most recent year published as far as I know (they take two years to do the report.)
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document Downloads/Crime in Maryland 2015 Uniform Crime Report.pdf
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document Downloads/Crime in Maryland 2016 Uniform Crime Report.pdf
These reports have a lot of info about crimes and arrests involving firearms, but I don't recall reading about specific firearms in them, such as AR-15's, etc.
However, they do have a lot of good information that substantially supports argumentation against increased firearms regulation.
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document Downloads/Crime in Maryland 2015 Uniform Crime Report.pdf
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document Downloads/Crime in Maryland 2016 Uniform Crime Report.pdf
These reports have a lot of info about crimes and arrests involving firearms, but I don't recall reading about specific firearms in them, such as AR-15's, etc.
However, they do have a lot of good information that substantially supports argumentation against increased firearms regulation.
ziptiespec
Active Member
Unless I missed it, that report just lumps all firearms together for stats and doesn't break things down into what kind of firearm was used. Not super helpful in trying to point out the very low rates that long guns are used in crime.
randomuser
Ultimate Member
how can they even look at information like this and even begin to want to think about anything rifle related. It comes from a place of so little logic that you can't even argue against it. It would be like 2 smart people talking in different languages trying to make their point to one another.
Per the Maryland State Police 2016 crime report, in 2016 knives were used in almost 12% of murders. Rifles were used in .3% of murders. Shotguns were used in .3% of murders, too.
These statistics are found in page 17 of the MSP 2016 crime report (attachment available for download here
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document Downloads/Crime in Maryland 2016 Uniform Crime Report.pdf
By the state's own measurement and reporting of public safety statistics, long guns and shot guns are not public safety issues for the people of the state of Maryland. To say otherwise flies in the face of logic and the analysis completed by the Maryland State Police.
These statistics are found in page 17 of the MSP 2016 crime report (attachment available for download here
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document Downloads/Crime in Maryland 2016 Uniform Crime Report.pdf
By the state's own measurement and reporting of public safety statistics, long guns and shot guns are not public safety issues for the people of the state of Maryland. To say otherwise flies in the face of logic and the analysis completed by the Maryland State Police.
The 1% quoted in a post is also the national figure but I've never seen it broken down by rifle. Try SAF or JPFO.
Your data will likely be ignored now but in my letters I've promised to contact them each year after legislation takes effect to review the new crime data and probable failures of their laws
They break out murders by weapon classification (handgun, knife, long gun, shotgun, etc.) Page 17 in the 2016 report has both 2015 and 2016 data included. 2015 is period one (p1,) and 2016 is period two (p2.)
ziptiespec
Active Member
So here's a kicker, stats (from FBI UCR) on murder by handgun going back to 2005:
2005: 394
2006: 372
2007: 388
2008: 328
2009: 297
2010: 272
2011: 262
2012: 265
2013: 263
2014: 190
2015: 266
2016: 309
2017: 339
HQL sure helped keep Baltimore thugs from killing one another, no?
2005: 394
2006: 372
2007: 388
2008: 328
2009: 297
2010: 272
2011: 262
2012: 265
2013: 263
2014: 190
2015: 266
2016: 309
2017: 339
HQL sure helped keep Baltimore thugs from killing one another, no?
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ziptiespec
Active Member
It is very logical to them - it's not about safety or public protection.
So I did miss it - thanks for pointing out where to find it
You bet!
This. The promised benefits of the 2013 legislation were never realized. Crime and murder substantially increased following the passage of that legislation. If the legislators pass the LGQL, transfer and HBAR bans we will only get more of the same. Math and numbers don't lie. Do the legislators and legislative staff even read these reports??
Also, if you're ever interested in reading a good report that demonstrates that the US does NOT have the highest rate of mass shootings, etc., this is a good place to start:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3289010
The research paper is titled "Comparing the Global Rate of Mass Public Shootings to the U.S.’s Rate and Comparing Their Changes Over Time" and it's a good one to reference when discussing "mass shootings" to dispel myths about the US experience.
John Lott is outstanding.
Yep. It's about control.
It's about weakening the population to the point where those in power no longer have to consider them in decision-making. It's a step toward tyranny.
