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Decoy January 28th, 2008 05:37 PM

Annapolis Mayor wants Micro Stamping
 
The Front page of the free version of the examiner today. "Mayor Wants Guns to stamp fired shells" It seems Mayor Ellen Moyer has been drinking the CA Kool-Aid.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1183701~An...p_bullets.html

Jim Sr January 28th, 2008 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decoy (Post 60172)
The Front page of the free version of the examiner today. "Mayor Wants Guns to stamp fired shells" It seems Mayor Ellen Moyer has been drinking the CA Kool-Aid.

I'll post the web version when I find it.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1183701~An...p_bullets.html

http://www.examiner.com/printa-11837...p_bullets.html

http://www.examiner.com/a-1183701~An...rticleComments

HoChiWaWa January 28th, 2008 05:53 PM

has anyone even developed a feasible microstamping system?

K31 January 28th, 2008 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decoy (Post 60172)
The Front page of the free version of the examiner today. "Mayor Wants Guns to stamp fired shells" It seems Mayor Ellen Moyer has been drinking the CA Kool-Aid.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1183701~An...p_bullets.html

I would go along with this if Mayor Ellen would have "I am clueless" tattooed in large type on her forehead to prevent the tragedy of any non-Oprah-lead electorate ever putting her in office.

K31 January 28th, 2008 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoChiWaWa (Post 60176)
has anyone even developed a feasible microstamping system?

Yeah, it works great as long as the criminal abides by the rules and uses a new gun bought in his name, and doesn't file off the numbers, or buy a new firing pin, and doesn't use a revolver or doesn't pick up all the cases and is living in the same place as he was when he bought the gun when he does the crime. There, foolproof!

Norton January 28th, 2008 06:07 PM

Moyer is one of the most vacuous, incompetent politicians I've ever seen...and that's quite an accomplishment in Maryland.

HoChiWaWa January 28th, 2008 06:07 PM

so the firing pin stamps the primer? thats how it goes?

Jaybeez January 28th, 2008 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K31 (Post 60179)
Yeah, it works great as long as the criminal abides by the rules and uses a new gun bought in his name, and doesn't file off the numbers, or buy a new firing pin, and doesn't use a revolver or doesn't pick up all the cases and is living in the same place as he was when he bought the gun when he does the crime. There, foolproof!

And as long as we register and regulate spare firing pins, and as long as criminals dont use revolvers, and as long as you pick up all your brass at the range so the criminals dont spread other peoples fired shells around the crime scene.


Or do you mean it will work in another way? Since the technology is expensive and gunmakers may not want to go through the hassle and expense of creating new firearms for the maryland market, gunmakers may just stop selling firearms here. No new guns ='s the same thing as a ban.


Also , why would we need this NEW technology? Dont we already submit sample shells to the state police? Is this existingexpensive program inneffective and a waste of taxpayer money?

HoChiWaWa January 28th, 2008 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaybeez (Post 60185)
And as long as we register and regulate spare firing pins, and as long as criminals dont use revolvers, and as long as you pick up all your brass at the range so the criminals dont spread other peoples fired shells around the crime scene.


Or do you mean it will work in another way? Since the technology is expensive and gunmakers may not want to go through the hassle and expense of creating new firearms for the maryland market, gunmakers may just stop selling firearms here. No new guns ='s the same thing as a ban.


Also , why would we need this NEW technology? Dont we already submit sample shells to the state police? Is this existingexpensive program inneffective and a waste of taxpayer money?

those shells sit in unsorted barrels since they were never given any funding for building and mantaining a database.

Jim Sr January 28th, 2008 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoChiWaWa (Post 60176)
has anyone even developed a feasible microstamping system?

MICROSTAMPING

Background:
Microstamping is a proposed means for imprinting unique serial numbers onto cartridges fired from a gun. Similar to “ballistic fingerprinting,” it allegedly helps police identify what firearm might have been used in a crime. Microstamping uses precision equipment to remove microscopic amounts of metal from the tip of the firing pin

Myth: Independent testing by

forensic technologists shows the

technology is reliable
Fact:


Firing pins are readily removable and swappable in most models of handguns, and inexpensive replacement parts. Criminals who file down serial numbers on the sides of guns won’t hesitate to file or exchange firing pins.

Fact:
46% of impressions ranked as “unsatisfactory” (i.e., illegible) after only ten rounds.47

Myth: Filing the firing pin will make the gun inoperable

Fact:
Firing pins are designed to be pushed deeply into the primer (igniter) of the round. The depth of the engraving (approximately 0.005 inch)48 is vastly smaller than the tolerance of the firing pins drive depth.

Fact:
In a test, the engravings were removed using a 50-year-old knife sharpening stone in less than a minute. The firearm still operated correctly after the filing.49

Fact:
Even if a criminal does not file down the firing pin, they might retrieve spent cartridges.
If they use a revolver, the cartridges stay with the firearm and are rarely recovered by police.

Myth: The cost per firearm will be cheap

Fact:
The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the representative for firearm manufactures, estimates the cost will be upwards of $150 per firearm, more than tripling the price of selfprotection and making it unaffordable for low-income people.50 The Brady Campaign dispute those with firearm manufacturing experience claiming microstamping would cost only 50¢?

Myth: The numbers will let police find the gun’s owner

Fact:
Most crime guns are stolen property, 51 which makes finding the original owner worthless.

47
“NanoTagTM Markings From Another Perspective”, George G. Krivosta, Suffolk County Crime Laboratory, Hauppauge, New York, Winter 2006 edition of the AFTE Journal
48
Ibid
49
Ibid
50
“Etched bullets interest law enforcement”, The Record, September 25, 2006
51
“Armed and Considered Dangerous”, U.S. Department of Justice, 1986
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