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somd_mustangs September 8th, 2019 07:02 PM

Star B 1st German WW2 Contract
 
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Hasn't been much pistol stuff lately so here's an interesting one.

This is a Star Model B in 9x19mm, delivered in the first shipment as part of the first WW2 German contract in May 1942.

There were two "Lots" of 2000 pistols each (Lot 7, shipped 5/15/42 and Lot 10, shipped 5/29/42) in the first contract. None of these 1st contract pistols received any German proofs, and the pistols were in a block of consecutive serial numbers (210951-214950). A 2-pistol shipment was sent 6/5/1942 probably to replace damaged/lost pistols (214951 and 214952).

A total of 6 lots (shipments) for 20,500 Star B pistols went to the Army and 2 lots totaling 6500 pistols went to the Kriegsmarine (Navy).

The 1943 deliveries received WaA251 Waffenamts (although some didn't), and the 1944 deliveries received WaAD20 Waffenamts. The final 1944 shipment was never delivered, so they were not marked by the Germans in WW2. Most of the pistols from that shipment (Lot 20) wound up being sold back to the West German police in the early 1950's and have an LPN stamp (or similar) on the front frame strap.

Note that there are a number of faked WaA251 pistols out there, that were originally Bulgarian contract guns.



This non-Waffenamt Model B has been a tough one to find. Partly because there weren't many made compared to the WaA251 and WaAD20's, partly because of an extra year of attrition, and mostly because the only way to tell is by the actual serial number. Fortunately for the collector, the valid serial numbers for all the German shipments are well-documented.

This pistol came with the relatively uncommon Star magazine with the factory spacer to accommodate the shorter Parabellum round. Star quickly dropped that in favor of the much simpler longer feed lips.

One interesting note is that the slide has the same "9 m/m" marking as the Star A, which is 9x23 Largo. At some point, the Model B barrels were marked with "Cal. 08" to denote the 9mm Parabellum chambering, but these very first guns didn't have that. The slide marking also changed later to include "F. Patr 08" to denote the Parabellum.

tall.guy88 September 8th, 2019 08:00 PM

Are you selling it? Or is that a personal purchase. Why does it say Espana on it? Spanish Civil war? 1936-39??

lazarus September 8th, 2019 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tall.guy88 (Post 5654326)
Are you selling it? Or is that a personal purchase. Why does it say Espana on it? Spanish Civil war? 1936-39??

Because the Stars are/were all made in Spain?

tall.guy88 September 8th, 2019 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus (Post 5654328)
Because the Stars are/were all made in Spain?

Gotcha.

SmokeEaterPilot September 8th, 2019 09:25 PM

Very cool! I never knew some of them were sent to Germany.

somd_mustangs September 8th, 2019 09:46 PM

Even though Spain was supposedly neutral, they sold a lot of pistols to Germany during the war, especially Astra.

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Originally Posted by tall.guy88 (Post 5654326)
Are you selling it? Or is that a personal purchase. Why does it say Espana on it? Spanish Civil war? 1936-39??

Nope, not selling it. I just got it two days ago, after searching for about 5 years :)
Only seen a few others for sale and I've either been a day late, many dollars short, or the condition was poor.

tall.guy88 September 8th, 2019 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by somd_mustangs (Post 5654398)
Even though Spain was supposedly neutral, they sold a lot of pistols to Germany during the war, especially Astra.



Nope, not selling it. I just got it two days ago, after searching for about 5 years :)
Only seen a few others for sale and I've either been a day late, many dollars short, or the condition was poor.

Very cool. Spain wasn't neutral, they were playing their cards through out the war. It was payback time for Russia's meddling in Spain's Civil war. They fought with the Germans on the Russian front. And then refused to help the allies on D-Day. Franco and Spain paid a price for that after the war- no help for them in the US Marshall plan.

My relative fought with the Spanish Blue Division which attached to the German 132nd in the battles of Crimea and Leningrad. He made it back and per my daddy was never the same. He was laid up for about a year then just went about his work without mentioning the war except that he never wanted to see another winter again.

He brought back a Star (estrella) pistol we had for years in our family but it was lost in South America. Id like to get one of those one day.

GuitarmanNick September 9th, 2019 08:12 AM

Very nice find, indeed.

mawkie September 9th, 2019 10:29 AM

Excellent thread! I had no inking of the existence of this first lot until your email the other day. Just when you think you might have a full grasp of a subject...
And I have no excuse since I own a copy of Antaris' huge Star reference.
I still troll Astra 400 SNs for German issue examples so now I'll have to memorize the SN range for Star Bs too!


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