Leave Handgun in Safe at Work

Nosce Hostem · Apr 8, 2024

My wife’s new business is opening in May in Timonium. She currently doesn’t have a WCP but is trained in use of firearms, owns a few handguns herself, and is in the ridiculous process of getting her permit and has her training class in June.

That said, under the current law since she is the business owner, she can have her firearm with her at work without the WCP. But she isn’t keen on having to take it in, load it in her office and place into her desk drop down safe, and then unload and pack it up and lock it and transport it back and forth every day. Would there be a major issue with her just leaving it at work locked in her safe until she finally gets her permit and she can carry without having to jump through hoops every morning and afternoon?

Her office will be in a professional office building with private access and it will be locked in her private office, and all other staff will be gone before she locks up, so not like it’ll be left alone with anyone other than her.

Biggfoot44 · Apr 8, 2024

That's a viable plan .

outrider58 · Apr 8, 2024

Biggfoot44 said:
That's a viable plan .

I agree.

There may be better plans out there, but KISS.

Nosce Hostem · Apr 8, 2024

outrider58 said:
I agree.

There may be better plans out there, but KISS.

Thanks gentlemen, I thought as much, but always leery in this state, feel like they go out of their way to screw with people

pbharvey · Apr 8, 2024

Everyone who can should keep a gun at work.

BurkeM · Apr 8, 2024

Nosce Hostem said:
My wife’s new business is opening in May in Timonium. She currently doesn’t have a WCP but is trained in use of firearms, owns a few handguns herself, and is in the ridiculous process of getting her permit and has her training class in June.

Perfectly lawful-

Remember when going to/from home to work, she cannot deviate from 'the most direct route.'
(no, that's not defined in statute or regulation)

High odds say she can find a class before May.

Squaregrouper · Apr 8, 2024

It sounds legal to me.
Personally, I am a proponent of concealed/hidden moderately secured safekeeping over something in the open that screams "THIS IS A SAFE." (Not sure what her plans are)
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Once someone finds where my firearms are stored, it wouldn't take more than 5-10 minutes for a grown man with a large pry bar to access them. I'm banking on a burglar not finding the location in the first place.
I'm pretty sure @CaptainAwesome is the only MDS member who has actually seen where my secret stash is- I think. There are 4-5 members who have heard me describe it, but haven't actually seen it.

BurkeM · Apr 8, 2024

from another thread---
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2-Day MD Wear & Carry Course April 13-14

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ToolAA · Apr 8, 2024

Very sound and viable plan. In fact once she does have her WCP it still seems like a good idea to keep a backup in the safe at all times.

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Phoenix_1295 · Apr 8, 2024

Nosce Hostem said:
has her training class in June.

Cindy’s Hot Shots has openings in their class on April 13 & 14. (Includes LiveScan fingerprints.)

JW Firearms - Glen Burnie and Severn, MD - Maryland Wear And Carry Permit

Cindy's Hot Shots is Maryland's favorite shooting range and gun store. We are here to fulfill your firearm and shooting needs. - Maryland Wear And Carry Permit

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fredthe · Apr 8, 2024

Is there a cleaning crew? If there is make sure that the safe is secure enough so the gun dosen't become a target of opportunity.

Biggfoot44 · Apr 9, 2024

BurkeM said:
High odds say she can find a class before May.

I spotted that , but held my tongue ( key pad finger ) .

Everyone sets their priority . I don't know about the class scheduled for June . Could be given by a long time family friend , or the reincarnated Ghost of Jeff Cooper .

But even if that's the case , she could knock out a Basic Poll Tax level class now to get the process in motion to recieve the Permit by first part of June , and then continue to seek more advanced , meaningful training on ongoing basis .

Threeband · Apr 9, 2024

BurkeM said:
Perfectly lawful-

Remember when going to/from home to work, she cannot deviate from 'the most direct route.'
(no, that's not defined in statute or regulation)

High odds say she can find a class before May.

Now why did you feel you needed to add that crazy bit of erroneous BGOS-ery? You even put the most erroneous part in scare quotes, and THEN you immediately admit, correctly, that what you just said is nowhere in any "statute or regulation."

I think that's the mostest peculiarist post I ever recall seeing.

The OP is already paranoid enough, worrying that somehow Big Brother is going to know- just know - what is in a locked safe in a locked office in a locked suite.

Big Brother is not going to know what is in her safe, nor in her car. But keeping the gun in the safe at work is legal, and driving a roundabout route with a stop or two for errands is also legal.

slsc98 · Apr 9, 2024

Threeband said:
Now why did you feel you needed to add that crazy bit of erroneous BGOS-ery? You even put the most erroneous part in scare quotes, and THEN you immediately admit, correctly, that what you just said is nowhere in any "statute or regulation."

I think that's the mostest peculiarist post I ever recall seeing.

The OP is already paranoid enough, worrying that somehow Big Brother is going to know- just know - what is in a locked safe in a locked office in a locked suite.

Big Brother is not going to know what is in her safe, nor in her car. But keeping the gun in the safe at work is legal, and driving a roundabout route with a stop or two for errands is also legal.

If @BurkeM was talking about WITHOUT any permit I don’t know about “this moment” but, for decades, that is exactly how MSP interpreted / played it.

It was in the late 90’s 2000’s but, I STILL remember VERY CLEARLY a Lt from the MSP Licensing & Permit Div telling a public forum (iirc it was at Izaak Walton League where the MSP was trying to get out in front of Glendenning‘s Omnibus Anti-crime Bill) making convenience stops on way to or from range - in their opinion - fell outside provisions of wear / carry. Example he used was stopping at a dry cleaner. “Illegal” were HIS words as a MSP Lt. Not mine and not BurkeM’s.

It was all just one more nail in the coffin that was my residency in MD …

(SAME Gestapo Lt same public forum - he also told everyone in the room, “we WILL confiscate” any mag over __ rd capacity when a member of the audience asked about scenario where they took a __ rd cap mag from their home in MD to shoot in W. Va and then got stopped by MSP after re-entering MD)

AND, I clearly remember MSP arresting and charging a person whom they followed out of MD Small Arms and who stopped at their rental office … that was in 2000’s, District Court in Upper Marlboro.

Point is, BASED ON REALITY within MSP in the past, I wouldn’t accuse anyone of exaggeration on this point, in MD

outrider58 · Apr 9, 2024

slsc98 said:
If @BurkeM was talking about WITHOUT any permit I don’t know about “this moment” but, for decades, that is exactly how MSP interpreted / played it.

It was in the late 90’s 2000’s but, I STILL remember VERY CLEARLY a Lt from the MSP Licensing & Permit Div telling a public forum (iirc it was at Izaak Walton League where the MSP was trying to get out in front of Glendenning‘s Omnibus Anti-crime Bill) making convenience stops on way to or from range - in their opinion - fell outside provisions of wear / carry. Example he used was stopping at a dry cleaner. “Illegal” were HIS words as a MSP Lt. Not mine and not BurkeM’s.

It was all just one more nail in the coffin that was my residency in MD …

(SAME Gestapo Lt same public forum - he also told everyone in the room, “we WILL confiscate” any mag over __ rd capacity when a member of the audience asked about scenario where they took a __ rd cap mag from their home in MD to shoot in W. Va and then got stopped by MSP after re-entering MD)

AND, I clearly remember MSP arresting and charging a person whom they followed out of MD Small Arms and who stopped at their rental office … that was in 2000’s, District Court in Upper Marlboro.

Point is, BASED ON REALITY within MSP in the past, I wouldn’t accuse anyone of exaggeration on this point, in MD

But it's not written into the law, not that I can find. IANAL

slsc98 · Apr 9, 2024

outrider58 said:
But it's not written into the law, not that I can find. IANAL

That is 100% correct.

And I have NEVER agreed with MSP on much and especially not on their in-the-past publicly stated stance on this “direct travel to and from range or business or place of repair” interpretation / enforcement of the MD statute.

But, MSP is gonna MSP …

I can see why @BurkeM posted what he did and I can also see why someone might see his post as unnecessarily alarmist.

But, MSP has been on the record that it isn’t (or in the past, wasn’t) really exaggerative, at all …

outrider58 · Apr 9, 2024

slsc98 said:
That is 100% correct.

And I have NEVER agreed with MSP on much and especially not on their in-the-past publicly stated stance on this “direct travel to and from range or business or place of repair” interpretation / enforcement of the MD statute.

But, MSP is gonna MSP …

I can see why @BurkeM posted what he did and I can also see why someone might see his post as unnecessarily alarmist.

But, MSP has been on the record that it isn’t (or in the past, wasn’t) really exaggerative, at all …

It makes one wonder if there has ever been a case where the MSP has acted on that interpretation.

slsc98 · Apr 9, 2024

outrider58 said:
It makes one wonder if there has ever been a case where the MSP has acted on that interpretation.

The one I recall was the guy they tailed out of MD Small Arms; he stopped at his apt complex rental office and when he came outside they were waiting on him.

THERE MAY have been more (even much more) to it (ie they may have been tailing him originally for other (actually nefarious) suspicions, probable cause or even a warrant.

I do believe they did NOT charge the poor sob who left On Target, stopped at a strip shopping center on his way home and came back to his suv to find thieves had stolen the guns he’d just been shooting at On Target. (That turned out to be criminals surveilling and tailing customers away from On Target.)

Scottysan · Apr 9, 2024

BurkeM said:
from another thread---
-------------------------------
Ok, if any MDS friends or family have been thinking about getting trained in defensive handgun skills, but haven’t taken a class yet, I’d like to make you an offer. Find one person to take a class with you and I’ll cover your cost. So, “buy one, get one free!” I have a MD Wear & Carry class this weekend, 4/13-14, in Annapolis. Message me and let me know who your + 1 is, and I’ll hold a seat for you and your guest. Click the link below to register:

2-Day MD Wear & Carry Course April 13-14
2 Day MD Wear & Carry Course: This Wear & Carry course is designed to cover the minimum state requirements, and so much more. You will learn not only basic firearms fundamentals skills and Maryland firearms laws, but you will learn techniques designed to help you dominate in a gunfight and get...

guncommander.com

Wow that's a great deal with a great instructor!

rbird7282 · Apr 9, 2024

Threeband said:
Now why did you feel you needed to add that crazy bit of erroneous BGOS-ery? You even put the most erroneous part in scare quotes, and THEN you immediately admit, correctly, that what you just said is nowhere in any "statute or regulation."

I think that's the mostest peculiarist post I ever recall seeing.

The OP is already paranoid enough, worrying that somehow Big Brother is going to know- just know - what is in a locked safe in a locked office in a locked suite.

Big Brother is not going to know what is in her safe, nor in her car. But keeping the gun in the safe at work is legal, and driving a roundabout route with a stop or two for errands is also legal.

Thank you. So tired of hearing that stupid ass line about directly to and from the range, place of business, etc.

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